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Taylor proposes restructuring EBR school system
Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:14 am
Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:14 am
LINK So the 80 Principals in the EBRPSS will now be expected to perform a budgeting/prioritizing function that they have zero training or experience doing. Even if 80% of the Principals do a satisfactory job of allocating their allotted resources, what do you tell parents of the 20% of Principals who do an unsatisfactory job of budgeting? Will the Principals be held accountable? No, there is a ready made excuse.
Call me skeptical, but the obvious reaction of the EBRPSS when schools do not perform to expected standards will be to claim the schools simply did not have enough money. This excuse will be used to defend all decision by Principals. They were given impossible tasks.
Since giving the Principals more money will not be a practical solution the EBRPSS will propose more administrators to oversee the budgeting function. These new administrators will provide cover for incompetent budgeting decisions made by Principals, and at the same time divert more resources from the classrooms. Thus making the budgeting tasks that much more difficult.
Call me skeptical, but the obvious reaction of the EBRPSS when schools do not perform to expected standards will be to claim the schools simply did not have enough money. This excuse will be used to defend all decision by Principals. They were given impossible tasks.
Since giving the Principals more money will not be a practical solution the EBRPSS will propose more administrators to oversee the budgeting function. These new administrators will provide cover for incompetent budgeting decisions made by Principals, and at the same time divert more resources from the classrooms. Thus making the budgeting tasks that much more difficult.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:57 am to Poodlebrain
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Call me skeptical,
Okay.....skeptical.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:31 am to LSURussian
I have witnessed attempts to solve problems by delegating responsibility without accountability too many times to count. I can't recall many successful attempts. Insufficient resources to accomplish the task is usually the first explanation for lack of success.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:52 pm to Poodlebrain
His proposal should be thrown in the garbage can until his school system can undergo an audit by a reputable firm.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:14 pm to Poodlebrain
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the 80 Principals in the EBRPSS will now be expected to perform a budgeting/prioritizing function that they have zero training or experience doing.
So, principals are completely ill-equipped to put together a budget and determine effective instructional programs/initiatives for their student population?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:27 pm to brgfather129
quote:How much experience do you think they have in budgeting for repairs and maintenance to buildings, purchasing cleaning supplies and other mundane aspects of operating a school that they have never had to worry about? The budgeting isn't limited to instructional programs.
So, principals are completely ill-equipped to put together a budget and determine effective instructional programs/initiatives for their student population?
Even if they are somewhat competent to prepare budgets for the schools, what is an acceptable rate of failure? You have to expect that some of the 80 will not be up to the task. Or do you just lower the standards so everyone passes? The EBRPSS has plenty of experience doing that for its students. Why not extend it to the Principals?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:30 pm to Poodlebrain
quote:And you believe principals won't be allowed to see or even ask what their schools historical expenses in those areas have been?
How much experience do you think they have in budgeting for repairs and maintenance to buildings, purchasing cleaning supplies and other mundane aspects of operating a school that they have never had to worry about?
And as for accountability, if a schools performance goes down or stays down, why do you assume the principal won't be held accountable for it?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:31 pm to Poodlebrain
It not a very good time to come up with a plan like that. Not with the state bird dogging their records, and the system under fire for falsifying records, etc.
I have also been for giving principals a lot of latitude, and making them responsible for their schools. This might be a good start.
I'd also like to hear Taylor talk about reforming the entire system, and that means the administration too. I have to believe we have way to many administrators and bureaucrats over there on foster Drive and in our schools as a whole.
I have also been for giving principals a lot of latitude, and making them responsible for their schools. This might be a good start.
I'd also like to hear Taylor talk about reforming the entire system, and that means the administration too. I have to believe we have way to many administrators and bureaucrats over there on foster Drive and in our schools as a whole.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:33 pm to Poodlebrain
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How much experience do you think they have in budgeting for repairs and maintenance to buildings, purchasing cleaning supplies and other mundane aspects of operating a school that they have never had to worry about? The budgeting isn't limited to instructional programs.
The school board subcontracted out janitorial and maintenance service to Aramark years ago.
I don't think the principals have anything to do with that anymore other than maybe to report problems.
ETA (from 2004)
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BATON ROUGE, LA — The East Baton Rouge Parish school system is holding a series of informational meetings this week to explain to more than 400 custodians, maintenance, groundskeeping and warehouse workers what will happen now that their jobs are in the hands of ARAMARK,, according to the Advocate. The School Board voted Thursday to approve a $22.5 million contract with ARAMARK, the article said. The school system has set up an automated 24-hour information line outlining meeting times, and has a four-page application for employment with ARAMARK
Full article.............LINK
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:37 pm to Poodlebrain
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How much experience do you think they have in budgeting for repairs and maintenance to buildings, purchasing cleaning supplies and other mundane aspects of operating a school that they have never had to worry about?
Far more than you are giving them credit for, it isn't even a question.
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The budgeting isn't limited to instructional programs.
I am aware of that. Part of this proposal is to give them some autonomy in determining the best way to staff their school and what programs would best serve the needs of the children. They are in a better position to do that than anyone at the district level.
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You have to expect that some of the 80 will not be up to the task.
It isn't a reasonable expectation that 100% of them will do it properly...that alone isn't enough to torpedo the idea.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:41 pm to brgfather129
quote:My thoughts exactly.
Part of this proposal is to give them some autonomy in determining the best way to staff their school and what programs would best serve the needs of the children. They are in a better position to do that than anyone at the district level.
Poodle is in a bad mood these days. It's almost tax deadline time and he's a CPA so cut him some slack.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:24 pm to LSURussian
quote:I actually agree that the Principals should be doing this. I like the idea. I'm concerned about the execution. This is the EBRPSS we are talking about. They have a history of plans poorly executed. The plan as announced is to just dump it into the Principals' laps.
My thoughts exactly.
Just a few additional observations/questions. What will the Superintendent's office role be in the budgeting process? Will they dictate the goals and objectives for each school and Principal? What will be the public's input in the process? What resources will be available to the Principals to assist them in preparing the budgets? (Experts to help them review prior operations and finances to establish some baselines. I don't expect the Principals to try and completely reinvent the wheel.) What steps will be taken to eliminate as many redundant programs, and corresponding expenses, as practical? (Some programs should be concentrated at as few schools as practical to promote efficiency.) These are not all of my questions, but they should give some ideas of the details that need to be addressed before adopting Taylor's proposal.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:45 pm to Poodlebrain
Another thing that should be reviewed is whether or not this is another big wealth transfer to get more tax dollars to inner city schools.
How are funds distributed now? How radical of a change would this be?
Shouldn't roughly the same amount be spent on each child (discounting special needs children, and slow learners, or kids with disabilities)?
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The formula would favor schools with higher levels of student poverty. For instance, schools where 90 percent or more of students qualify for free or reduced-price lunches would get the most money.
How are funds distributed now? How radical of a change would this be?
Shouldn't roughly the same amount be spent on each child (discounting special needs children, and slow learners, or kids with disabilities)?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:53 pm to Poodlebrain
Do you plan on asking your school board representative those questions?
Asking them only on this board is a waste of time, unless your real goal is to impress other posters but you really don't want to know the answers to your questions.
ETA: Your questions are good and need to be answered.
Asking them only on this board is a waste of time, unless your real goal is to impress other posters but you really don't want to know the answers to your questions.
ETA: Your questions are good and need to be answered.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:26 pm to LSURussian
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Do you plan on asking your school board representative those questions?
If they aren't answered in the public discussions.
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Asking them only on this board is a waste of time, unless your real goal is to impress other posters but you really don't want to know the answers to your questions.
Sometimes you pose questions to spark debate or critical thinking. Is that acceptable here? If not I'll quit.
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ETA: Your questions are good and need to be answered
I just got lucky
Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:34 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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His proposal should be thrown in the garbage can until his school system can undergo an audit by a reputable firm.
Do you mean the audit that recently came out or the financial statement audit?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:49 pm to doubleb
quote:I hope you realize my reply was to Poodelbrain and not to you.
ETA: Your questions are good and need to be answered
I just got lucky
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:04 pm to doubleb
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How radical of a change would this be?
I wouldn't call it "radical"...it isn't a secret that schools who serve a poor demographic are subject to increased funding.
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Shouldn't roughly the same amount be spent on each child (discounting special needs children, and slow learners, or kids with disabilities)?
Not necessarily...under-performing schools need the extra funding to provide more instructional staff to lower S/T ratios, increased access to technology, intervention programs, etc...the problem is, quite often the money is placed into the hands of total (sometimes corrupt) morons and is spent without any rhyme, reason, or benefit...just throwing money at the problem without any real plan. I can't even begin to tell you how many instructional initiatives (that cost a significant amount of money) were implemented and never followed through on, outside consultants that set foot on campus once and never returned, etc. That's what you get when you have district mandates instead of principals making decisions in the best interest of their campus.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:32 pm to LigerFan
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Do you mean the audit that recently came out or the financial statement audit?
I'm referring to the audit the school board voted to have done a couple of weeks ago.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:22 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
The school system has done a fairly good job of handling their finances. They are audited regularly by outside firms and have gone years if not decades without audit findings in the general fund. They have some of the lowest millage rates as far as school systems go in the area. Handling their finances doesn't seem to be one of their weaknesses.
Why would you take something that is being handled well by people who know what they are doing, who understand concepts of supplanting federal dollars, audit findings, and all the other legal requirements placed on them by the state and federal government? Why would you want people who have only balanced their personal checkbook handling millions of dollars? Most principals were teachers and before that they were students. You are asking people who have done nothing but instruction to become a CFO. This has disaster written all over it. If anyone has any experience working in a school system you would know that this is going to be a recipe for all kinds of problems.
Why would you take something that is being handled well by people who know what they are doing, who understand concepts of supplanting federal dollars, audit findings, and all the other legal requirements placed on them by the state and federal government? Why would you want people who have only balanced their personal checkbook handling millions of dollars? Most principals were teachers and before that they were students. You are asking people who have done nothing but instruction to become a CFO. This has disaster written all over it. If anyone has any experience working in a school system you would know that this is going to be a recipe for all kinds of problems.
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