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Study: Non-Citizen Votes May Have Tipped 2008 Election for Obama

Posted on 11/24/16 at 12:54 pm
Posted by mattloc
Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4313 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 12:54 pm
President Obama pulled in more than 80 percent of the vote from non-citizens in 2008, according to CCES. There were enough ineligible voters to cast ballots in the 2008 election cycle to pull out Democratic victories in close elections nationwide.

This conclusion is based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote that show 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008
Non citizen voting
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71133 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 1:03 pm to
Doubtful. That was a blowout.

It's like the Broncos blaming the refs for Super Bowl XLVIII.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 1:04 pm to
Oddly enough, that a good thing. If he had lost to McCain, we never would have gotten Trump. It would have been business as usual.
Posted by mattloc
Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4313 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 1:12 pm to
Research commissioned by the Pew Center on the States highlights:

Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.

Couple that with 6.4 % of non-citizens voting in that election and it becomes a very substantial amount... many are in a state of denial about the breadth and scope of the problem of illegal voting and voter fraud
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 1:22 pm to
Ya think?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 1:23 pm to
And this is why Breitbart has become so terrible, just as bad or even worse than their leftist MSM counterparts.

They cite a source that says this:
quote:

It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina.
And turn it into this:
quote:

Study: Non-Citizen Votes May Have Tipped 2008 Election for Obama
It was not a close election, and flipping multiple states that were fairly close, let alone just the closest one that was cited in the study, wouldn't have been enough to tip the election.

Just like seeing the MSM devolve, seeing Breitbart devolve is a sad sight as well.
Posted by mattloc
Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4313 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 1:26 pm to
Breitbart is simply citing multiple studies... including pew... one of your favorites.
Your opinions refute none of the hard evidence referenced in the article.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Jyrdis
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Member since Aug 2015
12799 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 1:27 pm to
These idiots calling for a voting recall really don't want the vote to be verified. They'll feel awfully dumb when Clinton is shown to not when the popular vote too.
Posted by Mars duMorgue
Sunset Dist/SF
Member since Aug 2015
2816 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 1:40 pm to
Grassy Knoll Board.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
8767 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 1:58 pm to
JFC you loons will believe anything some idiot posts online.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

any are in a state of denial about the breadth and scope of the problem of illegal voting and voter fraud


Because it does not happen. But the right is convinced it is fact without any proof.


quote:

Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.


Every single bit of this is meaningless.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 2:13 pm to
quote:


Because it does not happen



Wait, you're saying there is no case of illegals voting?
Posted by mattloc
Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4313 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Every single bit of this is meaningless.


When the O'Keef videos show Democrats bragging about stealing elections for the last 50 years and these numbers provide them with an opportunity to continue to do so from a respected Research Institute, such as Pew, only a fool would believe your statement.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

O'Keef videos




That is your proof? A felon editing videos?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 3:12 pm to
quote:



When the O'Keef videos show Democrats bragging about stealing elections for the last 50 years and these numbers provide them with an opportunity to continue to do so from a respected Research Institute, such as Pew, only a fool would believe your statement.


They still will not believe it. Stockholm syndrome.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

Grassy Knoll Board.


and yet you are here...on a holiday

hahahahahahahaha
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30892 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.


This is not a direct causation for this.

quote:

illegal voting and voter fraud


The first number is easily an issue simply when you change addresses.

The second number is how many are registered to vote. That's an issue of the state either not being informed when someone passes away, or not caring.

The third number occurs when you MOVE to another state and don't immediately call the previous state. Assuming voters stay on the rolls for at least a few years, and I am probably registered to vote in three states or more. I assure you, I only vote in the one.

Also, the 6.4%? I looked that number up. It took some HEAVY extrapolation, because the number of confirmed voters was 35. That said, 6.4% of any state's non-citizen population would swing 0 contests back to Trump. If we presume the reverse, however, Trump would have 0 swing states switch as well. It was a statistically irrelevant number.

Going back to the original post?

That number, using current non-citizen totals, would only have the potential of swinging ONE state in favor of Obama during 2008 - North Carolina.

This isn't conspiracy theory - this is straight up math.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 4:59 pm
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 6:17 pm to
quote:

Oddly enough, that a good thing. If he had lost to McCain, we never would have gotten Trump. It would have been business as usual.




They say you have to experience pain to fully appreciate the good times.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50253 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 6:37 pm to
and made this one closer than it truly was.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 6:40 pm to
And now they have given Hillary the popular vote.
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