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re: State of Pennsylvania auctions widow's home over 6.30$
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:18 am to kingbob
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:18 am to kingbob
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Because of situations like these, Louisiana has it written into their constitution that the state is no longer allowed to do this because of property taxes
Is that true? I thought tax sales were mostly about failure to pay property taxes. But I thought they gave you 180 days (and even then there is some way to get your house back if you pay the amount owed).
I think we need to balance the need to for people to pay their taxes with the need to be fair. Add on that abandoned property is a real legal nightmare to deal with so you cannot make the laws too tight or everyone else's property value suffer.
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:18 am to Lsut81
Exactly, I would ponder that 90% of property tax defaults that are under $200 are simply because of human error and not because of inability or refusal to pay. They're more than likely oversights by people not experienced with state property taxes or even due to clerical errors by government employees in charge of collections, notifications, tax assessment, ect.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:20 am to BigJim
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I think we need to balance the need to for people to pay their taxes with the need to be fair. Add on that abandoned property is a real legal nightmare to deal with so you cannot make the laws too tight or everyone else's property value suffer.
Louisiana has the Homestead Exemption so most people pay little to no property taxes on their homes to the state and generally small taxes to local governments. Businesses are another matter.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:23 am to jb4
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This is very bad, no defense, can't believe anybody would defend such actions. To take a house, the time limit on any past due bill should be at least a year and at least $1,000 due with certified notice sent.
Morally, it's wrong. Legally, it's right. Law of the land stuff. You've got to know the rules to do well, otherwise the bullies who wanted your lunch money grow up to be bullies who want the property you live on.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:26 am to BigJim
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Is that true? I thought tax sales were mostly about failure to pay property taxes. But I thought they gave you 180 days (and even then there is some way to get your house back if you pay the amount owed).
I don't know the specifics, but according to the article... The woman was def aware of the situation and at time of auction, still owed the money.
It doesn't seem like she even tried to come up with it.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:27 am to son of arlo
So did she get the profit above the $6 she owed on the sale of her home? Or did they claim she owed $6 in taxes and $150,000 because the juice was running?
I would love to see how the law was written in that county/state. I can't believe it says we will take absolutely everything we can from you, well above the amount you owe, down to a penny in debt.
eta: And yes, I am aware that she will get the pittance that the house was sold for. She was still robbed of ~$150k because of $6. I can't imagine this will stick.
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Legally, it's right
I would love to see how the law was written in that county/state. I can't believe it says we will take absolutely everything we can from you, well above the amount you owe, down to a penny in debt.
eta: And yes, I am aware that she will get the pittance that the house was sold for. She was still robbed of ~$150k because of $6. I can't imagine this will stick.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:30 am to GRTiger
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So did she get the profit above the $6 she owed on the sale of her home? Or did they claim she owed $6 in taxes and $150,000 because the juice was running?
I don't know where the $6 comes from... The article states that she owed over $200 at the time of auction, plus late fees and penalties.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:32 am to Lsut81
I read it like it started out as $6.30 and when she didn't pay it, the debt increased because of penalties.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:37 am to GRTiger
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I read it like it started out as $6.30 and when she didn't pay it, the debt increased because of penalties.
Yeah, re-reading it, you are right...
Either way, the woman was made aware of what she owed well in advance, had plenty of time to come up with some cash, and chose not to.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:43 am to Lsut81
"Morally wrong but Legally right" 
I can't think of a worse phrase but pretty describes what is wrong in this country today. That is just a horrible concept that only anal types would go with. The problem is law school's are filled with these types and the review process to correct such morons can be difficult. I'm not saying the person shouldn't pay her 6 buck bill but you don't fricking take her house. What's next? hanging for jaywalking?
I can't think of a worse phrase but pretty describes what is wrong in this country today. That is just a horrible concept that only anal types would go with. The problem is law school's are filled with these types and the review process to correct such morons can be difficult. I'm not saying the person shouldn't pay her 6 buck bill but you don't fricking take her house. What's next? hanging for jaywalking? This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 9:46 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:43 am to Strannix
Did her grandson join the PGA tour to raise the money to get the house back?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:55 am to Lsut81
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Either way, the woman was made aware of what she owed well in advance, had plenty of time to come up with some cash, and chose not to.
I've worked in city revenue, and the policy was that anything less than $10 was written off. I work in compliance now, and I have not seen any policy in all the companies I've audited that would go to this extreme over $6. This is a messed up situation, and it is clear to me that someone in that county decided to be spiteful and go beyond necessarily punitive.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:56 am to GRTiger
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So did she get the profit above the $6 she owed on the sale of her home?
OH HELL NO!! Are you crazy?
It would be interesting to know where the money went and who the new owner is.
I'm sure errbody knows who Goober is. When the govt condemned some of his family's property under eminent domain for I-22, he took it to court. They wanted to take his property for $700 per acre when every acre had more than $3k of timber on it. The govt settled on $2200 per acre. The regular schmoes who didn't have the money to take the govt to court got $700 per acre. I was here. I done seent it. Some of those pine trees had enough wood to frame a house. Where did the profit for that go? I have no clue.
Sometimes you make the same mistake as the Native Americans did here in North America. If you get in the way and have something a powerful person wants, you run the risk of being steamrolled.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:03 am to GRTiger
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I've worked in city revenue, and the policy was that anything less than $10 was written off
As I said earlier, I think anything under say $500 or $1k owed should be garnished from wages, withheld from tax returns, or seized from accounts.
It is nit picky going back and forth for less.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:08 am to jb4
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"Morally wrong but Legally right" I can't think of a worse phrase but pretty describes what is wrong in this country today. That is just a horrible concept that only anal types would go with. The problem is law school's are filled with these types and the review process to correct such morons can be difficult. I'm not saying the person shouldn't pay her 6 buck bill but you don't fricking take her house. What's next? hanging for jaywalking?
Law of the land sucker, unless some politician wants to use his pen and his phone to change it.
Life ain't fair.
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