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Social reform to restore marriage and birth rates
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:41 am
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:41 am
Marriage rates and birth rates have been plummeting and are at unsustainable levels. If you had the power what realistic measures would you take to restore marriage and birth rates in this country? Realistic measures...nothing like banning instagram and Tinder(although that would be the best cure)
My ideas:
1) Allow for a "contract marriage" The government will not enforce anything related to division of assets, alimony etc except what is stated in a contract signed by both parties before the marriage.
2) Jailtime for proven, egregious false accusations
3) Child support a fixed $ relative to the minimum costs of food/shelter for the child. This number cannot be scaled to the income of the spouses
4) Major tax breaks for families with children
5) Mandatory paternity testing at birth
My ideas:
1) Allow for a "contract marriage" The government will not enforce anything related to division of assets, alimony etc except what is stated in a contract signed by both parties before the marriage.
2) Jailtime for proven, egregious false accusations
3) Child support a fixed $ relative to the minimum costs of food/shelter for the child. This number cannot be scaled to the income of the spouses
4) Major tax breaks for families with children
5) Mandatory paternity testing at birth
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:43 am to scottydoesntknow
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1) Allow for a "contract marriage" The government will not enforce anything related to division of assets, alimony etc except what is stated in a contract signed by both parties before the marriage.
Government shouldn't be involved in the first place
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:45 am to Leto II
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Government shouldn't be involved in the first place
It shouldnt be involved in my energy usage either, but it is.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:50 am to scottydoesntknow
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5) Mandatory paternity testing at birth
What tha frick?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:52 am to scottydoesntknow
The cows are out of the barn.
We’re a weak and decadent society. You can’t fix marriage and birth rates by decree or incentive. It has to be written on people’s hearts.
Write those values onto your children’s’ hearts.
We’re a weak and decadent society. You can’t fix marriage and birth rates by decree or incentive. It has to be written on people’s hearts.
Write those values onto your children’s’ hearts.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:53 am to scottydoesntknow
This is what it looks like to try to solve a sin problem apart from a recognition that sin is the problem.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:53 am to Leto II
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Government shouldn't be involved in the first place
'"to promote the general welfare"
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:53 am to scottydoesntknow
The real issues with birth rates are economic.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:59 am to scottydoesntknow
Until you drastically scale back handouts, non of this improves. Government has replaced the father In society
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:00 am to scottydoesntknow
Maybe do something about half of marriages ending in divorce
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:02 am to scottydoesntknow
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Social reform
About the only government reform that might make a difference in marriage would be stopping government handouts... Doubt it would make much of a difference...
Face it, like 808 said, our kids have not had the best examples for what marriage is and should be... Until that changes, nothing the government does or can do will matter...
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:02 am to Esquire
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Maybe do something about half of marriages ending in divorce
Sounds like public policy should be to end no fault divorce.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:03 am to scottydoesntknow
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1) Allow for a "contract marriage" The government will not enforce anything related to division of assets, alimony etc except what is stated in a contract signed by both parties before the marriage.
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3) Child support a fixed $ relative to the minimum costs of food/shelter for the child. This number cannot be scaled to the income of the spouses
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5) Mandatory paternity testing at birth
You want to promote marriage and 3 of your 5 ideas are incredibly slanted towards men (the 5th is probably minimal in terms of offense to women, I will add), which will not make marriage more enticing for the population of women you want having kids.
Brilliant
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:03 am to scottydoesntknow
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Major tax breaks for families with children
Exempt parents from income tax. You will see babies all over the place.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Maybe do something about half of marriages ending in divorce
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Sounds like public policy should be to end no fault divorce.
I think that cat is out of the bag these days. People would just not get married and cohabitate. The stigma for that has decreased to the point of acceptance (plus its popular in Europe, so that appeal exists for the more educated/high earner class).
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:05 am to TrueTiger
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Exempt parents from income tax. You will see babies all over the place.
Restrict EITC to married couples. Stop subsidizing single mothers.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Restrict EITC to married couples
THAT would probably work to an extent.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
Well yes, you must be married filing jointly to be eligible.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Until recently, low birthrates were not necessarily a problem in the lower classes. The bigger problem is the educated classes are waiting longer to get married and have kids and when they do have kids it's maybe two, but generally one. So maybe EITC reform may slow the rate of divorce, but so many of those getting a divorce don't have that many kids if any at all and white women in particular are not having babies.
You have to convince people to procreate first or else things like covenant marriages or withholding EITC credits to single women are essentially meaningless
You have to convince people to procreate first or else things like covenant marriages or withholding EITC credits to single women are essentially meaningless
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