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So LaTech wants to be flagship univ

La tech making a move to cut into LSU 's postion as the states flagship university . See LaTech wants LSU


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Link busted, for me at least


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Same here...link didn't work


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me too


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Link no worky. How about posting an abstract for us La Tech Alumni who can't use computers so well.


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One Flagship university is sufficient
by Sam Hanna, Jr. - posted Tuesday, May 1st, 2012 @ 1:55 pm  E-mail Story |  Print Story 
This week, state lawmakers will conduct hearings to entertain legislation that would give La. Tech University the green light to take over Louisiana State University at Shreveport, commonly known as LSU-S.

It's nothing but a scam that the Legislature and the Jindal administration should scuttle immediately.

Years ago, then-La. Tech President Jay Taylor envisioned the university evolving into a mini-Flagship institution, one that would compete with the state's one and only Flagship. The one and only Flagship, of course, is LSU in Baton Rouge. Always has been and always will be the only one, assuming the LSU community wakes up and realizes that there exist a persistent effort among some people at the state Board of Regents and points elsewhere, including La. Tech, to undermine LSU at every turn.

Standing toe to toe with LSU is an obsession in the Tech community. That's not meant as a derogatory remark about Tech and its followers. It is what it is, and it's accurate.

Yet, the Tech community knows it will never achieve a somewhat significant status unless it establishes a foothold in an urban center such as Shreveport. That would allow Tech to tap into a pool of students that might not be inclined to attend college full-time in a small town like Ruston. Nothing against Ruston, but let's face it. It's not Shreveport, and it certainly isn't Baton Rouge. An argument could be made that even Monroe is more exciting than Ruston. The point is most college students desire a little excitement in their lives, and Ruston doesn't offer it.

The Tech community also knows that its path to stardom would be helped along significantly if it could get it hands on a professional school such as LSU's medical school in Shreveport. Don't forget about LSU Medical Center in Shreveport, too.

If we're to believe La. Tech President Dan Reneau, his university has plans to operate its own law school. At least that's what Reneau told a gathering in Shreveport, among other things.

"I see a new mini-Flagship type of university for the area with engineering, PhDs in physics, doctorates in education," Reneau said. "I see the opportunity for a booming performing arts program expanding on the top notch program here and doctoral programs we could never get accepted in Ruston…You could look down the road and see a school of optometry, a second law school."

Maybe someone should remind Reneau that besides the law school at LSU, another public law school already operates in Louisiana. It's at Southern University in Baton Rouge, and it's a safe assumption that supporters of Southern would not appreciate Reneau's remark, which could be interpreted as racially insensitive toward one of the state's historically black universities.

Though it seems as if the proposed merger of Tech and LSU-S cropped up overnight, it's been on the drawing board for years. It was only recently, though, that the Tech community went public with a study that claimed a merger between the university in Ruston and the one in Shreveport was a good idea. A questionable study to say the least.

Questionable study be damned, the Board of Regents signed off on the proposed merger of Tech and LSU-S quicker than you can say kiss my foot. And off to the Legislature the Tech community went where it has employed a lobbying effort not seen since then-Sen. Foster Campbell ran with a proposal to impose a tax on foreign oil that's processed in Louisiana.

In the midst of all this madness, the LSU Board of Supervisors fired LSU President John Lombardi. The company line is Lombardi couldn't play well with others. A combative sort, Lombardi was. At least that's what we're told.

Is it possible that Lombardi was shown the door because he vehemently opposed the merger of Tech and LSU-S?

Maybe, but we'll probably never know the truth why Lombardi was axed before his contract expired at the end of the year. We're left to wonder.

With Lombardi out of the way, LSU called on William Jenkins to fill the void on an interim basis. A highly respected former chancellor and president of LSU, Jenkins immediately went to work over the weekend, doing his best to stomp out that asinine idea of merging Tech with LSU-S. Simply put, Jenkins correctly recognized the merger movement represented a threat to LSU's future.

It's highly unlikely the Tech community can marshal a two-thirds vote in the House and Senate to secure approval for Tech to gobble up LSU-S. The mere idea, though, that the Board of Regents showed LSU so little respect by allowing the merger proposal to gain some momentum should serve as a wake-up call for LSU and its thousands of alumni, myself included.

The irony of it all is that there exist an element in Louisiana that believes the state can afford to fund two Flagship institutions when the fact of the matter is the state does not adequately fund the one and only Flagship that we already have.

Truth be known, Louisiana has not properly funded higher education since Mike Foster was governor. Kathleen Blanco didn't do it, and Gov. Bobby Jindal has dealt with budgetary issues since he took office in January 2008, limiting his ability to direct adequate dollars to the state's colleges and universities.

But Jindal – and the Legislature, too – can save face by stepping up to the plate and letting it be known that there is room for only one Flagship university in Louisiana and that job is already taken.

Sam Hanna, Jr. is publisher of The Ouachita Citizen, and he serves in an editorial/management capacity with The Concordia Sentinel and The Franklin Sun, three newspapers owned and operated by the Hanna family. Hanna can be reached by calling (318) 805-8158 or by emailing him at samhannajr@samhannajr.com.


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One Flagship university is sufficient



I love the assumption that the state actually has an institution deserving of being called "flagship."

Except perhaps by default.


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So an case of academic penis envy at the heart of it all is the fact at heart.


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The irony of it all is that there exist an element in Louisiana that believes the state can afford to fund two Flagship institutions when the fact of the matter is the state does not adequately fund the one and only Flagship that we already have.


This isn't LaTech's dream alone, and is the exact reason our state is where it is in education.


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Nothing against Ruston, but let's face it. It's not Shreveport,


Is this article form the Onion?


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In this age of budget cuts, we should be looking at reducing the number of state funded universities so we can support one flagship university. We cannot afford to give every city college a law school, medical school, more doctors degrees and expect to maintain the flagship, LSU.


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I love the assumption that the state actually has an institution deserving of being called "flagship."


As opposed to what state and institution? I need a good laugh.


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As opposed to what state and institution?


Well...there are 50 states. I would doubt LSU is in the top 50 public universities in the country; whether we are looking at student quality, research expenditures, faculty publications, endowment, or any number of other "ranking" mechanisms.



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Nice, specific example you give.


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Well, we are in the top 10 in football and baseball. What other criteria is there for the top public colleges in the country?


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Nice, specific example you give.


Oh. You are looking for institutional comparisons?

Ok.

Michigan, Michigan State, Cal State System institutions, UCal institutions, UF, UTexas, A&M, Virginia, VaTech, Maryland, UNC, OU, Oregon, Kansas, Missouri, Ohio State, PennState, Washington, SUNY System institutions, Indiana, Iowa State, Purdue, Rutgers, Arizona, Buffalo, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, or Wisconsin are a few off the top of my head.
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whether we are looking at student quality, research expenditures, faculty publications, endowment, or any number of other "ranking" mechanisms.

this brings up an interesting point

why do some of these variables matter in rankings?

what exactly are we trying to rank?

and fwiw, LSU ranks #63 in the US News rankings of public institutions. not "top 50" but i doubt there is any real difference in schools 35-100 (or so). LSU is notoriously hurt due to peer rankings, the worst variable used by US News

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why do some of these variables matter in rankings?


It varies "why" they matter. Frankly, I'm not convinced on a lot of the ranking talk, esp the US News "overall rankings." That's for public consumption.

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what exactly are we trying to rank?


Largely, the amorphous concept of "institutional quality." People assume that students measure quality, faculty productivity (noble prizes, academic awards, etc..) or research expenditures measure faculty quality. Endowments may measure alumni quality (though I don't know I buy that).



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LSU-S needs to say with LSU....as do the medical schools.

Shocking how much anti-LSU sentiment there is in the other schools.
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Endowments may measure alumni quality (though I don't know I buy that).

i don't either. i think it's just another variable created to compare dicks, which allow the elite to dominate

the real smart aspect is that it makes the "new money" schools spend an inordinate amount of resources trying to raise the endowments, that they could be spending elsewhere. so it's a win-win for the "old money" elite


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