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SIGINT is not equivalent to a private email account.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:13 pm
My preface: I am pleased that Flynn has gone.
A private email account being "hacked" and the NON SECRET, NOTHING TO SEE HERE, NOTHING UNTOWARD IN THESE emails were not TS level communications by a government official in the executive branch to a foreign nation.
All leakers in the federal government who leak classified, especially no-forn information should be hunted down and prosecuted. Life in prison as minimum sentence. I include Manning and Snowden in this. I don't care that they damaged Obama, or Bush, or whoever.
You cannot equate a private email account with no secret info (EVEN if I suspend my disbelief and make the leap that it was the Russians who got Podesta's password) with conversations between the soon to be confirmed NSA and a foreign official. Flynn needed to go. But the leak was damaging to the United States. Not just Flynn or Trump.
Carry on with your Trump bashing drumbeat.
A private email account being "hacked" and the NON SECRET, NOTHING TO SEE HERE, NOTHING UNTOWARD IN THESE emails were not TS level communications by a government official in the executive branch to a foreign nation.
All leakers in the federal government who leak classified, especially no-forn information should be hunted down and prosecuted. Life in prison as minimum sentence. I include Manning and Snowden in this. I don't care that they damaged Obama, or Bush, or whoever.
You cannot equate a private email account with no secret info (EVEN if I suspend my disbelief and make the leap that it was the Russians who got Podesta's password) with conversations between the soon to be confirmed NSA and a foreign official. Flynn needed to go. But the leak was damaging to the United States. Not just Flynn or Trump.
Carry on with your Trump bashing drumbeat.
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:16 pm to cokebottleag
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But the leak was damaging to the United States. Not just Flynn or Trump.
The leak helped the United States remove a high-level official potentially compromised by Russia. How is that damaging?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:17 pm to cokebottleag
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SIGINT is not equivalent to a private email account.
This is correct
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:18 pm to BamaAtl
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The leak helped the United States remove a high-level official potentially compromised by Russia. How is that damaging?
Trump didn't dump him because of the leak. As far as we know, he didn't even dump him because of the content of the call (pending further investigation). He dumped him for insubordination.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:21 pm to cokebottleag
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Carry on with your Trump bashing drumbeat.
If you believe Flynn needed to go due to all of what we know about this incident, why would your Leader bash Fake News today and how unfairly Flynn was being treated?
Do you know how illogical and idiotic that makes Trump sound? Bashing, gnashing and laughing is well warranted. Carrying on with it...
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:21 pm to cokebottleag
But but you didn't care about DNC hacks!
I agree 100% and posted the same thing earlier.
I agree 100% and posted the same thing earlier.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:22 pm to BamaAtl
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The leak helped the United States remove a high-level official potentially compromised by Russia. How is that damaging?
Did the leak remove him, or did his lying to Pence?
Considering Trump has yet to give a good goddamn about a media frenzy, I'd say it's the latter.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:23 pm to BamaAtl
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The leak helped the United States remove a high-level official potentially compromised by Russia. How is that damaging?
Well, for starters, we now KNOW that we had access to Russian phones and other means of communications. We were able to obtain highly secretive information without them apparently knowing about it.
NOW, Russia also knows. Which means that they are trashing all of their current means of communications and we will no longer be able to eavesdrop on their secret conversations.
And, this is all because career bureaucrats/FELONS in our "intelligence community" (and I use that term loosely) wanted to PUBLICLY embarrass Trump just because they don't like him personally.
Once they had this information this should have all been handled behind closed doors.
Congrats on that Dims!
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:24 pm to cokebottleag
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Did the leak remove him, or did his lying to Pence?
Considering Trump has yet to give a good goddamn about a media frenzy, I'd say it's the latter.
He used today's pulpit to point the finger at the media and away from Flynn. WTF are you talking about
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:24 pm to Sao
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If you believe Flynn needed to go due to all of what we know about this incident, why would your Leader bash Fake News today and how unfairly Flynn was being treated?
Do you know how illogical and idiotic that makes Trump sound? Bashing, gnashing and laughing is well warranted. Carrying on with it...
Clearly Trump believes the reason Flynn needed to be let go and the way the media is portraying him don't reconcile.
You can make a decision to release someone while still defending them against being treated like a criminal, traitor, Russian spy, etc.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:26 pm to Sao
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He used today's pulpit to point the finger at the media and away from Flynn. WTF are you talking about
Wait, are you saying he fired Flynn because the media told him to?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:32 pm to cokebottleag
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Wait, are you saying he fired Flynn because the media told him to?
You're not following. Trump didn't fire Flynn because of the media's portrayal Flynn is incompetent, he fired him (hopefully) because he knows he's incompetent. My simple observation is why on Earth would Trump praise Flynn today and say he was being unfairly treated? It's illogical.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:33 pm to Sao
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You're not following. Trump didn't fire Flynn because of the media's portrayal Flynn is incompetent, he fired him (hopefully) because he knows he's incompetent. My simple observation is why on Earth would Trump praise Flynn today and say he was being unfairly treated? It's illogical.
Ah, I see.
Answer is simple: 4D chess.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:34 pm to cokebottleag
So the leakers can leak their spin about the info but since it is secret we cannot see it?
Awesome partisan set up there
Awesome partisan set up there
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:38 pm to Sao
You would have a point if the media simply portrayed him as incompetent.
You're creating an illogical straw man so you can tear it down as illogical. That seems...illogical.
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My simple observation is why on Earth would Trump praise Flynn today and say he was being unfairly treated? It's illogical.
You're creating an illogical straw man so you can tear it down as illogical. That seems...illogical.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:38 pm to gthog61
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So the leakers can leak their spin about the info but since it is secret we cannot see it?
Awesome partisan set up there
Sally Yates formally spoke to the Trump team weeks ago and nothing was done. They could have chosen to get in front of this and spin it the way they wanted to but ignored it. Don't blame the media for reporting what the White House refused to.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:44 pm to MMauler
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NOW, Russia also knows. Which means that they are trashing all of their current means of communications and we will no longer be able to eavesdrop on their secret conversations.
Yep. I think this is a point that's being lost in all this. One of the primary reasons this stuff stays secret is not because of the content, but because revealing it would reveal what they call "sources and methods." Some of our sources and methods took years to develop and millions (if not billions) of dollars.
Now the Russians know who was being eavesdropped on and how. As a result, you can bet they are in the process of sweeping everything.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:46 pm to BamaAtl
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The leak helped the United States remove a high-level official potentially compromised by Russia.
With that reach your boyfriend lives a pleased life
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:46 pm to MMauler
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Well, for starters, we now KNOW that we had access to Russian phones and other means of communications. We were able to obtain highly secretive information without them apparently knowing about it.
I dont think this was highly secretive, just unethical and illegal.
I am sure the russian ambassador knows the FBI is trying to listen in on every conversation he has, or at least he should think that.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:52 pm to Strannix
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But but you didn't care about DNC hacks! I agree 100% and posted the same thing earlier.
The DNC is a private club. It has Nothing ZERO NADDA to do with National Security.
Hacking the DNC is NOT Equivalent to Hacking our Elections or Interfering with our Elections.
It has no effect on anything other than some club members. The DNC or RNC are not anymore important than a Facebook group.
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