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re: Seth Rich.... for non conspiracy theorists

Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:47 am to
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:47 am to
A clinton staffer was killed the next day in South Carolina in a double homicide. A new conspiracy says that that fellow is who killed Seth and DNC/Clinton had him killed off to cover tracks.
Posted by Rollo
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:20 am to
I have no reason to believe the conspiracy, but since when does the FBI have to be in possession of a computer (or server) in order to make bold, confident statements about what is on it?

It didn't seem to matter that they never saw the DNC server to pin that on the Russians.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6442 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:31 am to
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Lots of thing are possible, but it requires evidence to prove them. The Seth Rich conspiracy case is built on a house of cards of speculation, unsubstantiated assertions, and one anonymous source that seems less and less credible. That's vessel seems to be distancing himself from and has enormous credibility issues.



Same is true of all the alleged Clinton murders. Some people just lack objectivity, and will latch on to anything that denigrates people who think differently than they do.

The Clinton's are scum of the earth, but they aren't responsible for any murders. The fact that the two people who without a doubt had dirt to ruin them, Monica Lewinsky and Linda Tripp, are still alive should end all this absurdity. If the Clintons truly had hitmen on the payroll wouldn't Tripp and Lewinsky have been the most low key and beneficial ones to off?

And every name that gets added to this list makes it even more absurd. Clinton couldn't keep the fact that he got a blow job under wraps, but I'm to believe he is responsible for dozens of murders and not one credible piece of evidence has ever surfaced to link him to one? Think about the logistics, hundreds of cops, dozens of hit men... it just collapses under the weight of how ridiculous it all is.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 9:18 am
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:44 am to
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I have no reason to believe the conspiracy, but since when does the FBI have to be in possession of a computer (or server) in order to make bold, confident statements about what is on it?

It didn't seem to matter that they never saw the DNC server to pin that on the Russians.



If the FBI is not investigating, has never had in its possession the laptop, how exactly does an FBI agent rummage through it during their investigation? As Wheeler's source/non-source claimed?

And given Wheelers incredible string of contradictory statements and multiple independent outlets discrediting his claims, why should Wheeler be trusted in the first place at this point?

To come to the conclusion Wheeler, who can't seem to even trust himself anymore, is trustworthy, requires a person to set aside any rational judgement of the situation.



This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 8:47 am
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
81411 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:46 am to
Lofty meme, mate
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:47 am to
Why wouldn't the DNC offer a reward or express it's sincere condolences
Posted by NewbombII
Member since Nov 2014
4671 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:50 am to
Justice for Seth Rich!
Posted by AggieDub14
Oil Baron
Member since Oct 2015
14624 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:52 am to
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But I will say, the fact the opposition to all of these stories isn't facts, rather claims that it's tragic to do this to their family etc, doesn't make me go to their side. Facts would.


This is a great point. The Trumpers on this board always argue that emotion shouldn't be a reason for doing something. I guess that doesn't apply to them.
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7592 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:54 am to
What's more likely:

He fought back against robbers, they shot him and panicked

Or

A professional hit man hired by ? left him alive and failed to properly frame a robbery

This is an easy one folks
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146577 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:56 am to
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So why wouldn't they want to get to the bottom of his death to prove it's not some crazy conspiracy?


Because they want to live, not get assassinated by the Clintons

ding ding ding ding-we have a winner.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83527 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:58 am to
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ding ding ding ding-we have a winner.


Yes, because that definitely wouldn't raise suspicions if the ENTIRE family was murdered

jesus people
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:59 am to
Meta-conspiracy is one of the laziest arguments out there.

Why can't I prove this conspiracy theory? Well there's a bigger conspiracy covering it up?

Why can't I prove that conspiracy? There is an even bigger one behind the big conspiracy?

That's why so many roads of conspiracy lead to the giant end-all-be-all conspiracy theory. Because ultimately it traps you in a cycle of being unable to prove each step, so you just keep ascribing bigger (also unproven) theories until everything is explain by one grand (unproven) theory.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146577 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:02 am to
The parents of Seth could HYPO: pass away tomorrow from anything and people like you still would defend any wrong doing.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79127 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:04 am to
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The best reason to think Rich was the source comes from Wikileaks imo. In an interview Asange described their informant and it basically exactly described Rich. And their twitter account has obviously put his name out there. Wikileaks/Asange have a damn good record of facts, so not sure why we shouldn't believe this?

And the argument that we shouldn't look into this for the family's sake, is bullshite considering this is a national security issue


1) Assange is a professional troll. I don't question the veracity of documents he releases. But his record as to insinuation and opinions should not be conflated with the legitimacy of actual materials disseminated.
2) You make all these arguments about how Hannity is full of shite, but then conclusively tell us this is a national security issue?

My problem with "well why don't we investigate it" is that it would be a victory for the trolls. I like how half this board thinks the FBI should be chasing down Hillary, needs to focus on real problems, etc., but wants to see LEO resources poured into pizzagate, Seth Rich and other 4chan shite.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83527 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:04 am to
You are right. If Seth parent's were caught on tape being gunned down by HRC herself, I would defend against any wrong doing.

You got me.



Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:06 am to
Assange has so many vested interests in not revealing who his source(s) are/were that I have no clue why anyone would take his word on this.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79127 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:09 am to
I think, like Russia, Assange probably has an interest in kicking up dust with Americans and making them doubt and oppose their institutions.

If so, it makes sense that he'd see a conspiracy theory gaining traction with a certain element, and pour gas on that fire to create even more division.

Of course, this board thinks WikiLeaks is focused on governmental accountability and just ensuring Americans know what their government is up to
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:12 am to
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Why wouldn't the DNC offer a reward or express it's sincere condolences


They did offer condolences right after it happened.

Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:14 am to
Not just that but if Assange has a (or another) source inside the DNC, then it is in his interest to have Seth (who is convenient for Assange too now that he is dead) blamed for it to throw off suspicion.

Or if Wikileaks' source is less savory then Seth Rich is a convenient way to legitimize your operation.
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