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Service dogs
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:05 pm
First off I love dogs with a passion, I have a aussie shepard/border collie mix that is therapy certified and found on the street as a puppy. I completely understand dogs are used for therapy and service such as preventing panic attacks.
Unfortunately, I also now people who have bought the service vests for their dogs (who very clearly aren't service animals) to get them onto planes, restaurants, beaches etc.
Is the loophole okay to just buy the vest? Should the laws be changed or be made more strict? As they are now, establishments are not allowed to ask why the dog is a service animal.
Here's a video of a really pissed off chick, bitching about a dog, in what looks to be a Shoney's.
Dog in a Shoneys
Unfortunately, I also now people who have bought the service vests for their dogs (who very clearly aren't service animals) to get them onto planes, restaurants, beaches etc.
Is the loophole okay to just buy the vest? Should the laws be changed or be made more strict? As they are now, establishments are not allowed to ask why the dog is a service animal.
Here's a video of a really pissed off chick, bitching about a dog, in what looks to be a Shoney's.
Dog in a Shoneys
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:07 pm to olddawg26
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:07 pm to olddawg26
quote:Absolutely.
Should the laws be changed or be made more strict?
Businesses should be allowed to say no to people who attempt to bring "service dogs" into their restaurants or onto planes.
99% are likely fake anyway.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:07 pm to olddawg26
If the dog is not very well behaved they both better GTFO
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:08 pm to olddawg26
quote:
Should the laws be changed or be made more strict?
Yes. A therapy dog is not the same thing as a service dog.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:10 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
A therapy dog is not the same thing as a service dog.
A certified therapy dog is 1000X better than a fake service dog. Just saying.
All though I get what you're saying
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:12 pm to olddawg26
I don't even understand what you just said 
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:14 pm to olddawg26
quote:
A certified therapy dog is 1000X better than a fake service dog.
You don't say?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:14 pm to olddawg26
It's just stupid. Businesses shouldn't be forced to serve anyone. This is the outcome of good intentions legislation that snowballed. It will keep happening.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:17 pm to olddawg26
It doesn't matter.
It's just as easy to get a service dog medallion.
It's like getting weed in California...Some dude says I need weed for a bunyon...script issued.
Nobody cares about the service dog requirements. Especially in States that love dogs like Colorado or Cali or Arizona.
Once a store starts banning a dog...everyone just gets a service dog medallion. Restaurants, Food Stores, doesn't matter.
How do you enforce something like this? Store owners can't enforce it.
You would have to make it really difficult to get and that would be absurd.
Someone has to be beg to prove they need an animal when mental illness or general well-being isn't easily defined?
You would have to go back to - if you ain't blind, no dog in businesses.
It's just as easy to get a service dog medallion.
It's like getting weed in California...Some dude says I need weed for a bunyon...script issued.
Nobody cares about the service dog requirements. Especially in States that love dogs like Colorado or Cali or Arizona.
Once a store starts banning a dog...everyone just gets a service dog medallion. Restaurants, Food Stores, doesn't matter.
How do you enforce something like this? Store owners can't enforce it.
You would have to make it really difficult to get and that would be absurd.
Someone has to be beg to prove they need an animal when mental illness or general well-being isn't easily defined?
You would have to go back to - if you ain't blind, no dog in businesses.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:19 pm to Mr.Perfect
quote:
don't even understand what you just said
Like behavioral wise.
Majority of the time.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:19 pm to olddawg26
Her man, beta AF
And if animals need to be removed from restaurants then she should have been dragged out kicking and screaming.
If that were Mrs. Larson she would have gotten slapped in a restaurant full of people.
And if animals need to be removed from restaurants then she should have been dragged out kicking and screaming.
If that were Mrs. Larson she would have gotten slapped in a restaurant full of people.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:20 pm to olddawg26
The way the law reads now there is no way to verify who is legit and who is not, unless the disability is blatantly obvious.
In my wife's case it is not necessarily obvious. We carry our Doctor's prescription and other supporting documents in her Service Dogs vest, but of course no one has legal access to the paperwork.
I can see where some type of licensed Service Dog tag and or verifiable paperwork may need to be available to business, especially those that provide food.
Because frankly I see "false Service Dogs" more often than what I believe are legit. I think it minimizes the needs of those who actually need them and wears on people tolerance for those actually need them. It is just a further sign of the deterioration of our moral codes that previously would have stopped most people from doing anything so blatantly dishonest.
In my wife's case it is not necessarily obvious. We carry our Doctor's prescription and other supporting documents in her Service Dogs vest, but of course no one has legal access to the paperwork.
I can see where some type of licensed Service Dog tag and or verifiable paperwork may need to be available to business, especially those that provide food.
Because frankly I see "false Service Dogs" more often than what I believe are legit. I think it minimizes the needs of those who actually need them and wears on people tolerance for those actually need them. It is just a further sign of the deterioration of our moral codes that previously would have stopped most people from doing anything so blatantly dishonest.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:21 pm to olddawg26
If you have to have an animal in order to deal with situations in general society then you need to be in a mental hospital. Seeing eye dogs are the only exception in public places.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:21 pm to olddawg26
Free market decision. We have enough of Muh Laws.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:23 pm to Rekrul
quote:
general society
Would flying at 500 mph be a legitimate cause for anxiety and if a service dog helps you stay calm and what may prevent a heart attack be allowed?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:24 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:
Free market decision.
Can businesses refuse the dogs?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:25 pm to olddawg26
quote:Not at the expense of others, including those with allergies.
Would flying at 500 mph be a legitimate cause for anxiety and if a service dog helps you stay calm and what may prevent a heart attack be allowed?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:26 pm to olddawg26
quote:
Would flying at 500 mph be a legitimate cause for anxiety and if a service dog helps you stay calm and what may prevent a heart attack be allowed?
No
That is why they make Xanex and alcohol.
Flying isn't your right.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:26 pm to Rekrul
I do not agree with you on this. What the Topic is about is false, illegal actions by dog owners portraying their personal dogs as Service Dogs, a lie and misrepresentation.
We are not debating who should and should not have a Service Dog.
We are not debating who should and should not have a Service Dog.
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