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Roadmap of how Texas would declare independence
Posted on 1/8/21 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 1/8/21 at 4:59 pm
Step one: Build support. This would take several years, and would need to heavily involve the latino community. Compromise would need to be made, possibly including the codifying of a dual language state: English and Spanish. The redward tilt of the Valley is a good sign, but there is much work to be done.
Step two: Referendum. A state-wide referendum would provide the opportunity to demonstrate public support. if 50% or more of the population voted yes, the legislature would be encouraged to act (not forced).
Step 3: Declaration of independence. This would be a process necessarily similar to BREXIT: A formal declaration, signed by the governor, would be sent to Washington. It would be important that all US military bases be untouched (but under guard) until such time as the US and Texas negotiated a separation and trade pact.
Step 4: Win friends and allies. Texas would in all likelihood need to prepare for a less than amicable divorce. That means no currency union, and no free trade deal with the USA. However, we would have some immediate allies, notably Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Hungary, and Iran. It is very likely that France, Turkey, and China might be sympathetic to us as well, although China would be the one to be wary of a friendship with. Basically any country with interest in seeing the USA weaker, while also willing to go afoul of US ire. We should not count on Mexican, Canadian, or EU support. This being said, the sustainability of the republic at the beginning might hinge on Mexican and Cuban support.
These would form the core bloc of our immediate trade partners and lifelines.
Defensively, Texas would need to immediately prepare defensive lines along all borders in order to deter military response from the USA. All minor and major crossings to the USA over the Red and Sabine would need to be fortified. Possible breakaway border areas, specifically the RGV and most of all El Paso would need to be immediately occupied by the TXNG, and a regular army of several divisions would need to be formed. Any amount of standardized arms would be welcome from our new allies, most notably mechanized vehicles, standardized military grade arms, drones, and anti aircraft defenses. Anti ship defenses, primarily anti-ship missiles would also be of value.
At minimum, Texas would need to establish a regular army of approx (all sizes equal to current US military requirements)
7 light infantry divisions (currently only have enough for 1 light division in the TXNG
1 motorized division (would start with just the current 2 cav brigades)
3 AAA brigades
2 combat engineer brigades
1 marine brigade
2 MP brigades
and associated logistics and C2C support units
and a reserve force, capable of mobilizing within 4 weeks of the following
22 light infantry divisions
associated support
Airpower would be impossible at first. However, the Air NG does have reapers and some old falcons. Not enough for any sustained operations, but a good start.
Finally, Texas would need to NOT encourage any other states to join it. If just Texas leaves: ok, breakaway province. If other states leave, it would likely provoke a military reaction from DC.
Step two: Referendum. A state-wide referendum would provide the opportunity to demonstrate public support. if 50% or more of the population voted yes, the legislature would be encouraged to act (not forced).
Step 3: Declaration of independence. This would be a process necessarily similar to BREXIT: A formal declaration, signed by the governor, would be sent to Washington. It would be important that all US military bases be untouched (but under guard) until such time as the US and Texas negotiated a separation and trade pact.
Step 4: Win friends and allies. Texas would in all likelihood need to prepare for a less than amicable divorce. That means no currency union, and no free trade deal with the USA. However, we would have some immediate allies, notably Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Hungary, and Iran. It is very likely that France, Turkey, and China might be sympathetic to us as well, although China would be the one to be wary of a friendship with. Basically any country with interest in seeing the USA weaker, while also willing to go afoul of US ire. We should not count on Mexican, Canadian, or EU support. This being said, the sustainability of the republic at the beginning might hinge on Mexican and Cuban support.
These would form the core bloc of our immediate trade partners and lifelines.
Defensively, Texas would need to immediately prepare defensive lines along all borders in order to deter military response from the USA. All minor and major crossings to the USA over the Red and Sabine would need to be fortified. Possible breakaway border areas, specifically the RGV and most of all El Paso would need to be immediately occupied by the TXNG, and a regular army of several divisions would need to be formed. Any amount of standardized arms would be welcome from our new allies, most notably mechanized vehicles, standardized military grade arms, drones, and anti aircraft defenses. Anti ship defenses, primarily anti-ship missiles would also be of value.
At minimum, Texas would need to establish a regular army of approx (all sizes equal to current US military requirements)
7 light infantry divisions (currently only have enough for 1 light division in the TXNG
1 motorized division (would start with just the current 2 cav brigades)
3 AAA brigades
2 combat engineer brigades
1 marine brigade
2 MP brigades
and associated logistics and C2C support units
and a reserve force, capable of mobilizing within 4 weeks of the following
22 light infantry divisions
associated support
Airpower would be impossible at first. However, the Air NG does have reapers and some old falcons. Not enough for any sustained operations, but a good start.
Finally, Texas would need to NOT encourage any other states to join it. If just Texas leaves: ok, breakaway province. If other states leave, it would likely provoke a military reaction from DC.
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:02 pm to cokebottleag
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allies, notably Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Hungary, and Iran.
no thanks
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:04 pm to cokebottleag
Have you been working on this post all day?
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:08 pm to zephry801
quote:
Have you been working on this post all day?
Typed it in about 10 minutes, but the numbers are from years of wargaming with other former army officers. Based on key points for air defense, and holding/fortifying key border crossing areas.
The hardest to defend will be the border with Oklahoma and New Mexico. Holding the panhandle and El Paso may be completely impossible.
This post was edited on 1/8/21 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:09 pm to cokebottleag
How do we start the TEXIT process?
The entire issue will literally come down to a question, two choices, and the decision made by the people of Texas. In reality, it’s not the vote that’s exciting; instead, it’s what comes before and after the vote.
There is one fundamental and immutable truth about the TEXIT process. Where there is a legal path to TEXIT, it must be followed. There are no secret processes or hidden clauses in the old documents that can be used. There are no shortcuts. It boils down to what laws and processes are on the books right now and how they can be applied to resolving the issue of Texas independence. That means it absolutely, at a minimum, must culminate in a free and fair vote of the people of Texas?a referendum.
The current Texas Constitution, while not explicitly establishing a framework for referenda, definitely reserves the right to make fundamental changes to how Texas is governed exclusively to the people. Article 1 Section 2 lays the right and responsibility squarely at the feet of the people of Texas to make fundamental changes in governance.
In every example cited in this work where a Western-style democratic society has achieved independence, the people, in their capacity as a body politic, have had the final say on their political destiny. In every instance, the very act of a referendum has clarified the political realities, pitting the people who want their voices heard against a political class who believe that they are, in fact, the ruling class in a de facto oligarchy. The very process of even attempting to obtain a referendum makes clear those battle lines and, more specifically, the people and institutions on each side. Those who oppose even having a referendum are, in reality, opposing the foundational principles of Texas and the United States, the people, and the democratic cornerstone of Western civilization. In short, anyone opposed to having a referendum on the issue of self-government is un-Texan and un-American.
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The entire issue will literally come down to a question, two choices, and the decision made by the people of Texas. In reality, it’s not the vote that’s exciting; instead, it’s what comes before and after the vote.
There is one fundamental and immutable truth about the TEXIT process. Where there is a legal path to TEXIT, it must be followed. There are no secret processes or hidden clauses in the old documents that can be used. There are no shortcuts. It boils down to what laws and processes are on the books right now and how they can be applied to resolving the issue of Texas independence. That means it absolutely, at a minimum, must culminate in a free and fair vote of the people of Texas?a referendum.
The current Texas Constitution, while not explicitly establishing a framework for referenda, definitely reserves the right to make fundamental changes to how Texas is governed exclusively to the people. Article 1 Section 2 lays the right and responsibility squarely at the feet of the people of Texas to make fundamental changes in governance.
In every example cited in this work where a Western-style democratic society has achieved independence, the people, in their capacity as a body politic, have had the final say on their political destiny. In every instance, the very act of a referendum has clarified the political realities, pitting the people who want their voices heard against a political class who believe that they are, in fact, the ruling class in a de facto oligarchy. The very process of even attempting to obtain a referendum makes clear those battle lines and, more specifically, the people and institutions on each side. Those who oppose even having a referendum are, in reality, opposing the foundational principles of Texas and the United States, the people, and the democratic cornerstone of Western civilization. In short, anyone opposed to having a referendum on the issue of self-government is un-Texan and un-American.
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:10 pm to EKG
How do we get a vote on TEXIT?
There is no existing statutory framework in Texas law specifically for conducting an independence referendum. There doesn’t have to be. All the pieces are currently there. They just have to be assembled in the one place where it matters?the Texas Legislature.
This comes in the form of a standard bill. It’s important to note that the Texas Legislature is a true part-time legislative body. They meet for exactly 140 days every other year unless called into a special session by the governor. In that 140-day period, they file and debate legislation over nearly every conceivable issue that impacts Texans. The Legislature files way more bills than ever get passed and it takes considerable work ahead of a legislative session to get enough momentum behind a bill to even give it a shot at passage.
The process begins by having the bill filed by a member of the House or Senate, plus a sponsor in the chamber opposite from the member who initially filed it. From there, it gets its first reading on the floor and is assigned to a committee. The committee chair schedules it for a hearing; sometimes they don’t if they are opposed to the bill, and it dies when the session ends. But, if the committee hears the bill and it is voted out of committee, it gets scheduled to be heard on the floor, or it doesn’t. The House and Senate each have their own rules for scheduling bills for the floor and, as has been the case in the Texas House, the chair of the Calendars Committee can use his or her power to kill a bill by refusing to move it along.
However, if it moves along, it gets debated on the floor and is then voted on. If it passes in one chamber, it moves to the other chamber and the process repeats until the bill is passed by both houses. At the end of the day, what any bill needs to pass is the support of 76 members of the Texas House, 16 members of the Texas Senate, the lieutenant governor, and the governor. From there it moves to the governor’s desk for his signature or a veto. While this may seem overly complicated, I assure you that it is actually more so. Yet every session the Texas Legislature manages to pass well over one thousand bills into law.
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There is no existing statutory framework in Texas law specifically for conducting an independence referendum. There doesn’t have to be. All the pieces are currently there. They just have to be assembled in the one place where it matters?the Texas Legislature.
This comes in the form of a standard bill. It’s important to note that the Texas Legislature is a true part-time legislative body. They meet for exactly 140 days every other year unless called into a special session by the governor. In that 140-day period, they file and debate legislation over nearly every conceivable issue that impacts Texans. The Legislature files way more bills than ever get passed and it takes considerable work ahead of a legislative session to get enough momentum behind a bill to even give it a shot at passage.
The process begins by having the bill filed by a member of the House or Senate, plus a sponsor in the chamber opposite from the member who initially filed it. From there, it gets its first reading on the floor and is assigned to a committee. The committee chair schedules it for a hearing; sometimes they don’t if they are opposed to the bill, and it dies when the session ends. But, if the committee hears the bill and it is voted out of committee, it gets scheduled to be heard on the floor, or it doesn’t. The House and Senate each have their own rules for scheduling bills for the floor and, as has been the case in the Texas House, the chair of the Calendars Committee can use his or her power to kill a bill by refusing to move it along.
However, if it moves along, it gets debated on the floor and is then voted on. If it passes in one chamber, it moves to the other chamber and the process repeats until the bill is passed by both houses. At the end of the day, what any bill needs to pass is the support of 76 members of the Texas House, 16 members of the Texas Senate, the lieutenant governor, and the governor. From there it moves to the governor’s desk for his signature or a veto. While this may seem overly complicated, I assure you that it is actually more so. Yet every session the Texas Legislature manages to pass well over one thousand bills into law.
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:11 pm to EKG
quote:
There is one fundamental and immutable truth about the TEXIT process. Where there is a legal path to TEXIT, it must be followed. There are no secret processes or hidden clauses in the old documents that can be used. There are no shortcuts. It boils down to what laws and processes are on the books right now and how they can be applied to resolving the issue of Texas independence. That means it absolutely, at a minimum, must culminate in a free and fair vote of the people of Texas?a referendum.
This is wrong, sorry EKG. A referendum is not binding in the state of Texas. That is the starting point to push the legislature and governor, not the culminating effort.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:11 pm to cokebottleag
quote:yeah teaming up with those places is sure going to make this whole thing work
However, we would have some immediate allies, notably Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Hungary, and Iran.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:13 pm to CauleyHog
quote:
no thanks
Any particular reason? What did they ever do to Texas?
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:13 pm to EKG
Do we have legislation ready to file for a TEXIT vote?
Yes. Amazingly, the legislation required to initiate a TEXIT referendum is incredibly simple when contemplating the large impact it will have. The text of the legislation is below.
The Texas Independence Referendum Act
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT
to make provision for the holding of a referendum on whether Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Title 16 of the Election Code is amended by adding Chapter 279 to read as follows:
CHAPTER 279. TEXAS INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM
SUBCHAPTER A. REFERENDUM
Sec. 279.001 THE REFERENDUM
(1) A referendum is to be held on whether Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation or remain a member of the United States.
(2) The referendum shall be held on the next regularly scheduled general election date after the passage of this act and any subsequent general elections dates as called by the Governor, a 2/3rds vote of the Texas Legislature or upon the submission of a petition of Texas voters in accordance with chapter 172 of the Texas Election Code.
(3) The day appointed under subsection (2) must be no later than 31 December 2018.
(4) The question that is to appear on the ballot is—
“Should the State of Texas reassert its status as an independent nation?”
(5)The alternative answers to that question that are to appear on the ballot are—
“Yes” and “No”.
Sec. 279.002 DUTY TO PUBLISH INFORMATION ON OUTCOME OF PREVIOUS EFFORTS TO REFORM THE FEDERAL UNION AND ASSERT TEXAS SOVEREIGNTY
(1)The Secretary of State must publish a report which contains (alone or with other material)—
(a) a statement which details previous efforts by the State of Texas to initiate reform in the relationship between the State of Texas and the Federal union as well as efforts to retain or reassert the sovereignty of the State of Texas, and
(b) the opinion of the Secretary of State on the success of those efforts.
(2) The report must be published no later than 10 weeks before the scheduled referendum date.
(3) A copy of the report published under this section must be submitted to the Legislature of the State of Texas, the Governor, the Lieutenant Governor, the Texas Congressional delegation, and the President of the United States.
Sec. 279.003 DUTY TO PUBLISH INFORMATION ABOUT TEXAS MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED STATES
(1)The Secretary of State must publish a report which contains (alone or with other material)—
(a) information about rights and obligations of the State of Texas and its citizens that arise under Federal law as a result of Texas membership in the United States, and
(b) examples of countries that are not part of the United States but do have other arrangements and agreements with the United States (describing, in the case of each country given as an example, those arrangements).
(2) The report must be published no later than 10 weeks before the scheduled referendum date.
(3) A copy of the report published under this section must be submitted to the Legislature of the State of Texas, the Governor, the Lieutenant Governor, the Texas Congressional delegation, and the President of the United States.
Sec. 279.004 CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AND EXPENDITURES FOR THIS REFERENDUM
(1) For the purposes of this referendum,
Campaign expenditures shall only be made from funds contributed by eligible Texas voters.
Only political action committees registered in Texas no later than 6 months after this legislation takes effect shall be allowed to make campaign expenditures.
No campaign expenditure can be made from the campaign account of any current or former elected official or from any specific purpose political action committee unrelated to this referendum.
All offenses committed under this section and Chapter 253 are enhanced to State Jail Felonies.
Other than these specific provisions, all sections of Chapter 253 apply to campaign contributions and expenditures for this referendum.
Sec. 279.005 RESULTS OF THE REFERENDUM
(1) The results of the referendum shall be reported first and foremost to the citizens of Texas, to both houses of the United States Congress and to the President of the United States by the Governor of the State of Texas.
(2) Should the vote of the citizens result in a YES decision for Texas independence, the Texas Legislature shall, within twelve calendar months following the referendum, craft an Ordinance for Texas Independence defining and outlining a plan to implement the decision of the referendum, to include an operational plan, to establish Texas as an independent republic.
While this language is, in and of itself, a complete bill that could be filed in the next session of the Texas Legislature, it should only be treated as a starting point and not a finished product. There should be plenty of deliberation on the framework for the referendum, but it should not be a victim of “paralysis by analysis.”
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Yes. Amazingly, the legislation required to initiate a TEXIT referendum is incredibly simple when contemplating the large impact it will have. The text of the legislation is below.
The Texas Independence Referendum Act
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT
to make provision for the holding of a referendum on whether Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Title 16 of the Election Code is amended by adding Chapter 279 to read as follows:
CHAPTER 279. TEXAS INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM
SUBCHAPTER A. REFERENDUM
Sec. 279.001 THE REFERENDUM
(1) A referendum is to be held on whether Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation or remain a member of the United States.
(2) The referendum shall be held on the next regularly scheduled general election date after the passage of this act and any subsequent general elections dates as called by the Governor, a 2/3rds vote of the Texas Legislature or upon the submission of a petition of Texas voters in accordance with chapter 172 of the Texas Election Code.
(3) The day appointed under subsection (2) must be no later than 31 December 2018.
(4) The question that is to appear on the ballot is—
“Should the State of Texas reassert its status as an independent nation?”
(5)The alternative answers to that question that are to appear on the ballot are—
“Yes” and “No”.
Sec. 279.002 DUTY TO PUBLISH INFORMATION ON OUTCOME OF PREVIOUS EFFORTS TO REFORM THE FEDERAL UNION AND ASSERT TEXAS SOVEREIGNTY
(1)The Secretary of State must publish a report which contains (alone or with other material)—
(a) a statement which details previous efforts by the State of Texas to initiate reform in the relationship between the State of Texas and the Federal union as well as efforts to retain or reassert the sovereignty of the State of Texas, and
(b) the opinion of the Secretary of State on the success of those efforts.
(2) The report must be published no later than 10 weeks before the scheduled referendum date.
(3) A copy of the report published under this section must be submitted to the Legislature of the State of Texas, the Governor, the Lieutenant Governor, the Texas Congressional delegation, and the President of the United States.
Sec. 279.003 DUTY TO PUBLISH INFORMATION ABOUT TEXAS MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED STATES
(1)The Secretary of State must publish a report which contains (alone or with other material)—
(a) information about rights and obligations of the State of Texas and its citizens that arise under Federal law as a result of Texas membership in the United States, and
(b) examples of countries that are not part of the United States but do have other arrangements and agreements with the United States (describing, in the case of each country given as an example, those arrangements).
(2) The report must be published no later than 10 weeks before the scheduled referendum date.
(3) A copy of the report published under this section must be submitted to the Legislature of the State of Texas, the Governor, the Lieutenant Governor, the Texas Congressional delegation, and the President of the United States.
Sec. 279.004 CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AND EXPENDITURES FOR THIS REFERENDUM
(1) For the purposes of this referendum,
Campaign expenditures shall only be made from funds contributed by eligible Texas voters.
Only political action committees registered in Texas no later than 6 months after this legislation takes effect shall be allowed to make campaign expenditures.
No campaign expenditure can be made from the campaign account of any current or former elected official or from any specific purpose political action committee unrelated to this referendum.
All offenses committed under this section and Chapter 253 are enhanced to State Jail Felonies.
Other than these specific provisions, all sections of Chapter 253 apply to campaign contributions and expenditures for this referendum.
Sec. 279.005 RESULTS OF THE REFERENDUM
(1) The results of the referendum shall be reported first and foremost to the citizens of Texas, to both houses of the United States Congress and to the President of the United States by the Governor of the State of Texas.
(2) Should the vote of the citizens result in a YES decision for Texas independence, the Texas Legislature shall, within twelve calendar months following the referendum, craft an Ordinance for Texas Independence defining and outlining a plan to implement the decision of the referendum, to include an operational plan, to establish Texas as an independent republic.
While this language is, in and of itself, a complete bill that could be filed in the next session of the Texas Legislature, it should only be treated as a starting point and not a finished product. There should be plenty of deliberation on the framework for the referendum, but it should not be a victim of “paralysis by analysis.”
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This post was edited on 1/8/21 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:15 pm to EKG
What will it take to win a TEXIT vote?
The current threshold to win any vote in Texas is a simple majority of those who vote. While there are examples of greater thresholds around the world related to political separation, such as the imposition by the Canadian Supreme Court of an arbitrary 55 percent threshold for Quebec to exit, there is no similar precedent in Texas for popular votes. There is no question or debate about that aspect of the referendum. Rather, what’s more interesting is predicting the number of votes that will be required to win.
Since the threshold to win a TEXIT vote is a simple majority, it will take 50 percent plus 1 of those who cast a vote in the referendum. In the modern-day independence referenda, voter turnout is exceptional. In some instances, over 90 percent of those who are eligible to vote do so. The Scottish referendum turnout of 84.6 percent was the highest recorded for an election or referendum in the United Kingdom since the introduction of universal suffrage. The voter turnout for the BREXIT referendum was 72.2 percent. The message is clear: when people finally get a real choice on the ballot, they show up.
By estimating a high-average 85 percent or higher voter turnout, we can calculate the number of votes it will take for TEXIT to carry the day. With 15,101,087 currently registered voters in Texas, the number of votes required to win is likely to be between 6,417,963 and 7,550,544. To put that figure in perspective, that is slightly less than all votes cast for all presidential candidates in the 2016 general election.
Like all elections, it will all come down to retail politics, excelling in the fundamentals of getting the message out and getting voters to the polls. Whichever side does it most effectively will win the day. Nigel Farage, former leader of the U.K. Independence Party, on the eve of the Brexit referendum, summarized what it would take to win.
“The Leave side can only win if we have an effective ground campaign comprising of activists from across the political spectrum working together.”
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The current threshold to win any vote in Texas is a simple majority of those who vote. While there are examples of greater thresholds around the world related to political separation, such as the imposition by the Canadian Supreme Court of an arbitrary 55 percent threshold for Quebec to exit, there is no similar precedent in Texas for popular votes. There is no question or debate about that aspect of the referendum. Rather, what’s more interesting is predicting the number of votes that will be required to win.
Since the threshold to win a TEXIT vote is a simple majority, it will take 50 percent plus 1 of those who cast a vote in the referendum. In the modern-day independence referenda, voter turnout is exceptional. In some instances, over 90 percent of those who are eligible to vote do so. The Scottish referendum turnout of 84.6 percent was the highest recorded for an election or referendum in the United Kingdom since the introduction of universal suffrage. The voter turnout for the BREXIT referendum was 72.2 percent. The message is clear: when people finally get a real choice on the ballot, they show up.
By estimating a high-average 85 percent or higher voter turnout, we can calculate the number of votes it will take for TEXIT to carry the day. With 15,101,087 currently registered voters in Texas, the number of votes required to win is likely to be between 6,417,963 and 7,550,544. To put that figure in perspective, that is slightly less than all votes cast for all presidential candidates in the 2016 general election.
Like all elections, it will all come down to retail politics, excelling in the fundamentals of getting the message out and getting voters to the polls. Whichever side does it most effectively will win the day. Nigel Farage, former leader of the U.K. Independence Party, on the eve of the Brexit referendum, summarized what it would take to win.
“The Leave side can only win if we have an effective ground campaign comprising of activists from across the political spectrum working together.”
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This post was edited on 1/8/21 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:16 pm to EKG
Do we have to vote on a President before we TEXIT?
No. Texas already has its own government, and it will continue to be our government until the Texas Constitution is amended.
After TEXIT, an independent Texas will absolutely have a president and a congress and supreme court, among other offices and agencies that are common to all independent, self-governing nations. Texas independence will give the power of government back to the people to vote for who they want to lead their country, as it should be. During the 9 years before Texas joined the Union, the independent Texan Nation had all of these government bodies and multiple presidents but had full control over their laws and values.
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No. Texas already has its own government, and it will continue to be our government until the Texas Constitution is amended.
After TEXIT, an independent Texas will absolutely have a president and a congress and supreme court, among other offices and agencies that are common to all independent, self-governing nations. Texas independence will give the power of government back to the people to vote for who they want to lead their country, as it should be. During the 9 years before Texas joined the Union, the independent Texan Nation had all of these government bodies and multiple presidents but had full control over their laws and values.
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:19 pm to EKG
What will happen immediately after a TEXIT vote?
Parties and celebrating. Lots of celebrating. Beyond that, we have to begin the process of operating as an independent, self-governing nation.
Contrary to the doomsday predictions of those who oppose TEXIT, in the immediate aftermath of an affirmative Texas independence vote, things continue as they have until they don’t. The mail gets delivered. The trash gets picked up. Goods flow. Money is earned and spent. Literally, nothing changes until it does.
While this may be a surprise to some, their surprise stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the independence process. Independence is not a single act embodied in a referendum. Independence is a state of being. The referendum is the first step in the process, an expression of political will that kicks off the process of becoming independent. It is, however, an important step. Such an expression of political will must be respected. It demands action. However, that action must be balanced with care and caution as Texas enters the next phase?negotiation and transition.
There should be one single aim for relations with the United States in the immediate aftermath of TEXIT?minimizing disruption. While those opposed to TEXIT would love to think that disruption cannot be avoided or even mitigated as Texas leaves the Union, they are dead wrong. In fact, the tools necessary to effect a speedy, efficient, and minimally disruptive TEXIT are already at our disposal.
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Parties and celebrating. Lots of celebrating. Beyond that, we have to begin the process of operating as an independent, self-governing nation.
Contrary to the doomsday predictions of those who oppose TEXIT, in the immediate aftermath of an affirmative Texas independence vote, things continue as they have until they don’t. The mail gets delivered. The trash gets picked up. Goods flow. Money is earned and spent. Literally, nothing changes until it does.
While this may be a surprise to some, their surprise stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the independence process. Independence is not a single act embodied in a referendum. Independence is a state of being. The referendum is the first step in the process, an expression of political will that kicks off the process of becoming independent. It is, however, an important step. Such an expression of political will must be respected. It demands action. However, that action must be balanced with care and caution as Texas enters the next phase?negotiation and transition.
There should be one single aim for relations with the United States in the immediate aftermath of TEXIT?minimizing disruption. While those opposed to TEXIT would love to think that disruption cannot be avoided or even mitigated as Texas leaves the Union, they are dead wrong. In fact, the tools necessary to effect a speedy, efficient, and minimally disruptive TEXIT are already at our disposal.
Support Texas Independence. Join the Texas Nationalist Movement.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:20 pm to cokebottleag
What would happen to Texarkana? Would Texas annex the arkansas side of the city? Or would there be a wall split down the city?
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:21 pm to cokebottleag
FFS... 
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:28 pm to cokebottleag
it would mean extreme hardship on the people
everyone would be much poorer
personally I'm OK with that because a communist USA would make us all poor anyway
Given the choice, I'd rather be poor and free than a poor slave.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:34 pm to TrueTiger
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it would mean extreme hardship on the people
On the contrary ....
Will the economy in an independent Texas be better?
On average, Texas ranks as having the 10th largest economy in the world. There is no doubt that an independent Texas will do better.
To quote the conservative firebrand and TEXIT advocate, Claver Kamau-Imani, “After TEXIT, we’re gonna be rich!” He’s not exaggerating. Texas already collectively possesses a fair amount of wealth as one of the largest economies in the world. However, TEXIT promises to bring that wealth to every citizen of Texas. In exploring the negative effect of excessive federal regulations on Texans, the cited study showed how it has shrunk the paychecks of Texans by 75 percent. Flip the script and look at it from the standpoint of a Texas no longer subjected to those excessive federal regulations. Over time, the average Texan could see a 400 percent increase in take-home pay.
The retention of this type of wealth by Texans translates into an explosion of new business startups and corporate expansions, reducing unemployment to near zero. Texas can experience double-digit economic growth as the lack of an income tax turns Texas into an international haven for wealth and foreign investment. All of this economic activity results in an increase in government revenue, leading to better schools, improved infrastructure, and additional tax breaks.
The best data available show a correlation between increased consumer spending and an increase in household income at a near 1:1 ratio. With these kinds of numbers, Texas could eliminate the property tax, leave the sales tax rate untouched, and still produce an increase in government revenue over and above what Texans currently pay to both the state and federal governments.
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:36 pm to EKG
Will an independent Texas place tariffs on imported agricultural products?
As it stands now, Texas has no authority to negotiate tariff rates while within the union. In fact, the vast majority of current trade agreements negotiated by the federal government are beneficial to a handful of economic sectors within Texas and detrimental to the rest.
Texas will negotiate both bilateral and multilateral trade deals with other countries. Those trade agreements will govern the terms with cross border transactions. At a minimum Texas can engage in trade under existing World Trade Organization tariff schedules. Both WTO tariff schedules and negotiated trade agreements set the terms under which tariffs are laid for all goods and services as well as the amount of those tariffs.
In short, unlike our present situation within the union, Texas will be able to negotiate trade terms that are exclusively beneficial to Texas.
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As it stands now, Texas has no authority to negotiate tariff rates while within the union. In fact, the vast majority of current trade agreements negotiated by the federal government are beneficial to a handful of economic sectors within Texas and detrimental to the rest.
Texas will negotiate both bilateral and multilateral trade deals with other countries. Those trade agreements will govern the terms with cross border transactions. At a minimum Texas can engage in trade under existing World Trade Organization tariff schedules. Both WTO tariff schedules and negotiated trade agreements set the terms under which tariffs are laid for all goods and services as well as the amount of those tariffs.
In short, unlike our present situation within the union, Texas will be able to negotiate trade terms that are exclusively beneficial to Texas.
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:37 pm to EKG
How will an independent Texas address farm subsidies?
Simple economic sense suggests regulations reduce productivity and slow economic growth. It only makes perfect sense that when federal regulations and taxes are removed, there will be more financial stability and lower prices for farmers and ranchers. These savings will be passed down to the consumer. When a country like China retaliates by refusing to purchase US farmers’ crops because of tariffs, the USDA simply writes checks to the affected farmers. This is done outside of Congressional approval. If a U.S. trade war does not include Texas, there would be no need for farm subsidies. Farm subsidies for 2019 were $22.5B.
Ultimately, the benefits of a low-regulation and trade deals that are exclusively beneficial to Texas agriculture will far outweigh any benefits from farm subsidies.
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Simple economic sense suggests regulations reduce productivity and slow economic growth. It only makes perfect sense that when federal regulations and taxes are removed, there will be more financial stability and lower prices for farmers and ranchers. These savings will be passed down to the consumer. When a country like China retaliates by refusing to purchase US farmers’ crops because of tariffs, the USDA simply writes checks to the affected farmers. This is done outside of Congressional approval. If a U.S. trade war does not include Texas, there would be no need for farm subsidies. Farm subsidies for 2019 were $22.5B.
Ultimately, the benefits of a low-regulation and trade deals that are exclusively beneficial to Texas agriculture will far outweigh any benefits from farm subsidies.
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 5:39 pm to EKG
Will Texas incentivize or encourage small business and entrepreneurship?
The entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well today in Texas and will continue to be so in an independent Texas. In 2019, multiple business analysts ranked Texas as the “Best State to Start a Business”. Even more so, small businesses do much better with less overbearing regulatory restraints that come primarily from our membership in the union. It is reasonable to believe that this spirit of entrepreneurialism will continue and thrive in an independent Texas.
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The entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well today in Texas and will continue to be so in an independent Texas. In 2019, multiple business analysts ranked Texas as the “Best State to Start a Business”. Even more so, small businesses do much better with less overbearing regulatory restraints that come primarily from our membership in the union. It is reasonable to believe that this spirit of entrepreneurialism will continue and thrive in an independent Texas.
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