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re: Republicans for slave reparations in exchange for...
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:03 pm to zeebo
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:03 pm to zeebo
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zeebo
Who receives reparations? Where does the reparation fund come from? Who pays?
Just black people get them? What if they came here post slavery? What if their ancestors were responsible for selling them into slavery? What if their ancestors were children of slave master and slave? What if not all white people came to this country before slavery? What if the white people didn't have slaves?
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:14 pm to BugAC
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Who receives reparations? Where does the reparation fund come from? Who pays?
Ogletree put together the actual legislation. The major points:
a. All money comes from the federal treasury.
b. No money goes to individual black people.
c. Money goes to black foundations and lawyers.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:15 pm to Zach
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c. Money goes to black foundations and lawyers
Ought to go over like a turd in the punchbowl.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:23 pm to Ace Midnight
Reparations are retarded no matter how it's spun.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:25 pm to Ace Midnight
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They were and they were paid in blood, to the tune of 600k lives.
What about Jim Crow?
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The interest has been paid during the well-intentioned, yet disastrous War on Poverty(tm)
I've seen present-value analysis of actual sums paid taking that into account and it would still fall short of all that was stolen.
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I see a glimmer of hope with conservative blacks standing up and saying, "Dammit - 50 years is enough. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting different results."
But as I know you know, in reality, it's been way less than 50 years in practice. Let's just remember that as recently as the early 1990's, David Duke was a major political figure in Louisiana. What sort of practical environment do you think blacks lived in when that was still possible?
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Black families and communities were relatively intact at the beginning of the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s. If they had been left intact, with legal barriers removed, we would probably see a much more equitable distribution of poor people, middle class and wealthy. However, the liberal wing of the Democrat party felt it more prudent to buy/attempt to buy black votes for generations. How's that working out for y'all, Big Scrub?
Although I do not favor handouts as you describe them to begin with, I also do not subscribe to your facile and false analysis of the history of the situation.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
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David Duke was a major political figure in Louisiana.
WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Do we want to get our money back for black IMBECILES that some of y'all have elected to office? *cough* SJL *cough* (and there are others).
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in reality, it's been way less than 50 years in practice.
No. Formalized discrimination, in recognized legal form was done away with, effectively, in 1964.
Of course, school segregation took time, redlining took time, black barriers in many areas took time to dismantle.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:12 pm to Ace Midnight
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WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Do we want to get our money back for black IMBECILES that some of y'all have elected to office? *cough* SJL *cough* (and there are others).
It has to do with taking a 30K foot view and using your mind. We can say a law was passed by some certain date. Acting as if that is the actual cutoff point you are referring to stretches credibility.
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Of course, school segregation took time, redlining took time, black barriers in many areas took time to dismantle.
In other words educational and economic barriers didn't magically remove themselves in 1964. My point entirely.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
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In other words educational and economic barriers didn't magically remove themselves in 1964. My point entirely.
Nothing magically removes themselves.
The average black person in 2014 has more educational opportunities than the average white person. Between affirmative action, exclusive minority financing and schools recruiting efforts directed a previously disadvantaged groups, that is an absolute statistical fact. The lack of availing these opportunities can hardly be blamed on white folks today.
I'm trying to work with you, but I feel like I'm not getting through. How many discussions have we had on here where every solution I offer, every bit of evidence I offer for progress, opportunity, responsibility, all I get is, "Can't change the past" or the equivalent.
We can't worry about the past - there is NOTHING any of us can do to change it. We can keep looking back there and pretending, hoping, praying we can fix it or we can move forward from right now.
That's literally all I got.
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