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re: Reparations "Imaginary country of New Colonia" vs Liberia

Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:27 am to
Posted by Collegedropout
Where Northern Mexico meets Dixie
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:27 am to
yep.. I'm liking this idea.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:30 am to
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i mean...as long as you keep saying shite like i wish my ancestors never brought the slaves over from africa in the first place, i'm going to keep pointing out that you're a bigot. sorry, not sorry




So you're glad a subset of people were enslaved because of skin color?

and he's the racist...
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99001 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:33 am to
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So you're glad a subset of people were enslaved because of skin color? and he's the racist...


It was all worth it to him as he now has black friends whom he may have otherwise never known. He admitted his reason was selfish, so I can at least respect his honesty.
Posted by pressurized
Member since Aug 2013
590 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:35 am to
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So you're glad a subset of people were enslaved because of skin color?

and he's the racist...



Who enslaved them in the first place?

I'll hang up and listen.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:36 am to
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So you're glad a subset of people were enslaved because of skin color


They weren't enslaved because of skin color.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:39 am to
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An actual African once told me they call people from Liberia "American-Africans".


The official term is "Americo-Liberian" - but yeah, same difference. Liberia wasn't a homogenous country of freed slaves like some of you seem to think.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:40 am to
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Liberia developed its own apartheid system, but black-on-black.

If you could trace your ancestry to America, then you were allowed to join the political establishment and could gather wealth from the extractive economy. If not, you were permanent underclass.


Exactly. Oh the irony.
This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 10:41 am
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:43 am to
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Liberia wasn't a homogenous country of freed slaves like some of you seem to think.



I never thought it was homogeneous. I just find it ironic that the freed slaves basically enslaved the locals by locking them out of the political system.

You'd think they'd be sympathetic.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21895 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:46 am to
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I just find it ironic that the freed slaves basically enslaved the locals by locking them out of the political system.


Made for an awkward few decades starting in the 80s. Oops.

To be fair, we did kind of help with that. There's a reason Monrovia's airport runway was (until recently) the longest in Africa, and it wasn't because Liberia spent the money on it.
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:51 am to
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So you're glad a subset of people were enslaved because of skin color?
saying you wish your ancestors never brought blacks to america to begin with, because of ones opinion of black culture in 2017, is very racist.

not rocket science here
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:59 am to
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To be fair, we did kind of help with that.


Kind of? We financed them well into the 1960s and in return used their natural resources. At one point Liberia was a popular American vacation destination. In the 90s it was hell on earth.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15047 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:10 am to
Liberia was not founded by white guilt. It was a place to simply send the blacks to and get rid of them. It was the opposite of white guilt, it was "get out of town (nword).
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:10 am to
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They should've just worked them over in Africa and sent the goods on ships. Leave them there when they decided to abolish slavery. We wouldn't have to put up with all this BS over something we had nothing to do with now


I am not an expert on the economics of trans atlantic slave trade. However, my guess is that in-house production of goods had more advantages

1) It probably would cost more to per load of cash crop to trade over the Atlantic.

2) Slave revolt/runaway would be much higher even with colonies set up in slave labor camps. In the US you could more easily get other states to return your slaves and fight with you to stop them.

3) The cost of maintaining the slave labor camps would not only have the expected cost of slave maintenance, but you would probably have to pay private soldiers/guards to keep your slaves and defend against possible attack from other African tribes.

This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 11:15 am
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140424 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:12 am to
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At one point Liberia was a popular American vacation destination.


More info on this? Link?

I'm not doubting you but I've never heard that before.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:14 am to
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Liberia was not founded by white guilt. It was a place to simply send the blacks to and get rid of them. It was the opposite of white guilt, it was "get out of town (nword).




^This. Lincoln and some other politicians simply wanted to get ride of Blacks. Liberia was just political maneuvering to give them their own country, so they would not longer be in the US. Thereby preventing another civil war from happening again.
Posted by pressurized
Member since Aug 2013
590 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:16 am to
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Liberia was not founded by white guilt. It was a place to simply send the blacks to and get rid of them. It was the opposite of white guilt, it was "get out of town (nword).


Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21874 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:29 am to
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That's not analogous to reparations or whatever "New Colonia" is supposed to be, at all. We invaded another country and dumped former slaves there, just because it was the right continent.


Holy shite!

Why does the asylum allow you access to a computer?
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:48 am to
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as better than the rest of what the US became without the former slaves.




They obviously didn't give much thought to how great America would be with out the former slaves, or the historical record of Blacks in establishing anything approaching an admirable society.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:25 pm to
So, you have black friends. That's nice. I have a black daughter.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56491 posts
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:46 pm to
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if slaves were never brought over here, the vast majority of us would not exist. the world would have unfolded in a completely different manner.




How so?
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