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Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:55 pm to Iosh
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YOUR MASK IS SLIPPING there I said it so y'all don't have to
I've never thought you had a mask.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:01 pm to Geauxgurt
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Bottom line was that there was not a single version given out to all the senators or house members prior to it being voted on and being rammed through congress.
The House released the full text of the bill a week prior to voting. October 29, 2009
Earlier, during deliberations and debate, Paul Ryan even wrote the CBO a letter explaining how invaluable their analysis was for congress and the American people and that any bill should be analyzed by them before passage. Something he would later refuse to do when he was leading the passage of the revised healthcare legislation.
To which Democrats had in fact done just that, offering the bill to the CBO even earlier, which allowed the CBO to release their analysis on October 29th as well.
The bill was voted on and passed Nov 7 2009.
When it got to the Senate, the bill saw over a 100 hours of open debate and over 100 hours of committee hearings. Including over 100 Republican amendments. And the bill was publicly available and scored by the CBO before every vote.
This narrative that the Republicans are just following the Democrats footsteps is complete revisionist nonsense. You should really think about what it is that got you to a place where you are believing a fantasy to be truth.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:14 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Yup. You caught us. But we only hate those 23 million. And you. We definitely hate you as well.
Reminder: Republicans are about to rip insurance from 23M Americans
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:20 pm to bonhoeffer45
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This narrative that the Republicans are just following the Democrats footsteps is complete revisionist nonsense. You should really think about what it is that got you to a place where you are believing a fantasy to be truth.
All of your links are asinine. despite how they had hearings and amendments, top democratic leaders were saying we had to pass the bill to know what was in it. Why if all of those debates occurred did they still not know what was in the bill??
Not saying the Repubs are right not having hearings or debate. It is technically different than how ACA was passed, but it seems to effectively be the same as the handling of the AHCA
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:24 pm to AMS
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top democratic leaders were saying we had to pass the bill to know what was in it
One person said that, and the right-wing has taken it out of context ever since and clung to it like a fly on shite. The phrase was uttered in the context of so much media attention being played to 'process' that the good things she saw in the bill were getting lost and that it will take passing it for people to see those good things she went on to speak about.
The facts are the facts about the process though. Not sure how verification of a timeline is asinine? Because it doesnt bend to your fantasy narrative? The bill was available publicly every step of the way, 100's of hours of deliberations(many of which you can watch in that link), scored by the CBO and invited Republicans to participate.
It is in no way the same. Not even close.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:30 pm to BamaAtl
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Republicans are about to rip insurance from 23M Americans
that is a lie
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:34 pm to ljhog
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that is a lie
So what is the truth then?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:42 pm to bonhoeffer45
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So what is the truth then?
According to the CBO estimate there will be 23 million less insured, if the bill passes as is. The majority of that number, however, will be those currently forced to purchase insurance who would CHOOSE not to do so.
Choosing not to buy is NOT having something taken from you. The "take insurance away" is nothing more than another democrat lie.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:44 pm to bonhoeffer45
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One person said that, and the right-wing has taken it out of context ever since
Uh, that one person was the Speaker of the House. And the context was pretty fricking clear.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:49 pm to ljhog
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According to the CBO estimate there will be 23 million less insured, if the bill passes as is. The majority of that number, however, will be those currently forced to purchase insurance who would CHOOSE not to do so.
Thats not what it says.
14 million of those will be people that no longer can get Medicaid.
9 million come from people that choose to no longer purchase insurance, get priced out of the marketplace due to new community ratings, have pre-existing conditions that can no long afford insurance in areas that repeal mandated benefits and protections.
In addition to all that, a large swath of people will see much higher premiums and out of pocket expenses due to community rating changes and reduced subsidies.
So only a fraction of that number are people that just choose to go without, but that itself is not a desirable thing, nor a god defense of that number. You need healthy people in the pool to spread risk. The idea that more healthy people will forgo insurance is not good for the overall health of the individual market.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:51 pm to Godfather1
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Uh, that one person was the Speaker of the House. And the context was pretty fricking clear.
Clearly not based on this site.
She was speaking about the media focus on the process of the bill over the substance and was trying to make the case for positive aspects she thought were in the bill and getting overshadowed to the American people. She framed it in a way and Republicans leaped at the gotcha moment to clip out that single line and filling in the rest with their narrative. The full quote was "We have to pass it so you can see whats in it away from the fog of the controversy."
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:55 pm to bonhoeffer45
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nor a god defense of that number. You need healthy people in the pool to spread risk. The idea that more healthy people will forgo insurance is not good for the overall health of the individual market
But it's a perfect defense of the lie that those people are going to lose insurance.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:58 pm to Turbeauxdog
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But it's a perfect defense of the lie that those people are going to lose insurance.
You're right, its not 23 million that will lose health insurance, its a few million less because a few million will just go without by choice. Which still leaves millions and millions that will lose the ability to afford it.
While millions and millions more will see even more expensive rates that will more quickly price them out of the market in the future.
Not sure your "defense" is all that laudable.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:02 pm to BamaAtl
Cool. If i get gauged, everyone gets gauged,
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:10 pm to BamaAtl
AS LONG AS I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT I TRULY DONT CARE
I WORK AND I PAY FOR MY OWN INSURANCE
IF YOU ARE ABLE TO WORK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO PAY YOUR WAY
IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE A FOOL
I WORK AND I PAY FOR MY OWN INSURANCE
IF YOU ARE ABLE TO WORK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO PAY YOUR WAY
IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE A FOOL
Posted on 6/21/17 at 4:00 am to BamaAtl
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BamaAtl
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:21 am to bonhoeffer45
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The House released the full text of the bill a week prior to voting. October 29, 2009
Just a reminder... here is the original text of the (notso)Affordable Care Act:
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H. R. 3590 To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES October 8, 2009 Received and read the first time October 13, 2009 Read the second time and placed on the calendar AN ACT To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. Short title. This Act may be cited as the “Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009”. SEC. 2. Waiver of recapture of first-time homebuyer credit for individuals on qualified official extended duty.
The rest is here: The Affordable Care Act in it's original form.
Why did the dems have to be so disingenuous? It's one thing to not let the public see a bill until it is in final form, as the Republicans are doing, it's a completely different matter to well.. take a bill meant for one purpose, strip it completely and shove the ACA down our throats in a disingenuous, dishonest fashion.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:38 am to roadGator
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I told you, a mandate could have help but you need to tell us what mandate is sufficient that will create the additional funds necessary to drop some of the population's rates by 1/2 or more in many cases.
You're the one providing the very specific scenario, surely you have those numbers squirreled away somewhere.
I'm just so happy you're learning about insurance!
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