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Rand Paul: Why I voted against CIA Dir. Nominee

Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:12 pm
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:12 pm
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I voted against the new CIA Director because I worry that his desire for security will trump his defense of liberty.

More than ever before, oversight of the secretive world of intelligence is critically important.

Programs are authorized, money is spent, and operations are carried out in the name of the American people, yet only a few members of Congress are even allowed to know what is happening in the dark corners of these U.S. intelligence programs.

Most of Congress was surprised to learn that the U.S. government was collecting all of our phone records in bulk. Most of what our intelligence community does is shielded from the rank and file of Congress. Only eight legislators are privy to the full extent of the surveillance state.

Under oath, the former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied to Congress about the existence of the bulk collection of Americans’ phone records. Without the revelations of Edward Snowden, this gross violation of privacy might still remain unknown.

Only begrudgingly are the American people being told about the scope of the massive intelligence apparatus that has steadily grown in secret.

Yet when oversight of the intelligence community is most needed, Congress has demonstrated an insufficient appetite for curbing the worst excesses of our country’s domestic surveillance.

Some in Congress advocate that government collect “financial and lifestyle information” on Americans, combine it with their metadata, and store it in a government database.

A database that cross-references our every online action would be a devastating assault on liberty.

The new CIA Director described a congressional report on the CIA’s past use of torture as “a narcissistic self-cleansing.” He went on to say that those senators who voted to release the torture oversight report were “quintessentially at odds with [their] duty to [their] country.”

I couldn’t disagree more.

In the years following 9/11, we let fear get the better of our responsibility to liberty. Of the 119 people detained by the CIA, 39 were tortured. In our haste, at least 26 people were wrongfully detained, not even meeting the government’s own standard for detention.

If it was your husband or son that was “mistakenly” tortured, wouldn’t you want the world to know so that it never happened again?

Many of our military leaders, including incoming Sec. of Defense James Mattis, have acknowledged that waterboarding is torture, is ineffective, and sends a signal to our enemies that it is justified to torture U.S. soldiers when they are captured.

Despite this evidence, many in Congress have continued to maintain that waterboarding is not torture.

In addition, many in Congress support a comprehensive, searchable database equipped with “public” data like “lifestyle” choices, an incredible invasion of privacy in some ways more intrusive than the English soldiers that invaded American households to search for any untaxed papers.

Advocates of such a database argue that it will only be searched after obtaining some type of court order.

These advocates fail to understand that our privacy and the Fourth Amendment are breached merely in the collection of our personal data. Our privacy is invaded first by the collection of private information and only secondarily by searching that databank.

The existence of the database itself is a violation of our right to privacy.

Our intelligence community needs more oversight, not less.

There are many supporters of the Surveillance State in Congress. There is, however, a shortage of skeptics. Now that technology and fear have combined to allow the state to watch virtually our every action, someone must pledge to “watch the watchers.”

I swore an oath to defend the Constitution and the rights of the American people. Shielding the CIA from needed oversight is not consistent with that oath.

Protecting the entire Bill of Rights is one of the main reasons I ran for office, and I will remain vigilant in that cause.


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Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
7730 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:13 pm to
Pompeo is one of the most highly qualified CIA directors since Bush. I get why Rand voted against him, but Pompeo will do a great job.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108541 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:13 pm to
He should have been elected President. He'd be the best since Reagan.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28123 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:14 pm to
This was actually posted earlier and got resounding praise on this board. Kind of amazing when you think about how this board voted in the primaries and the general.
Posted by AggieDub14
Oil Baron
Member since Oct 2015
14624 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:14 pm to
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69306 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:14 pm to
TL;DR.

too libertarian, didn't read. (because I already know he is right)
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

This was actually posted earlier and got resounding praise on this board.


Pleasantly shocking.

ETA: Upon review of the prev thread, I see that a tiny handful of mostly like minded folks barely stretched that thread to 2 pages. That's what I expected.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:21 pm
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:15 pm to
Thread From Earlier
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:16 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101466 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:17 pm to
How, pray tell, did "this board" vote in the primaries?
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28123 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:17 pm to
Most of this board are libertarians of the Rand variety...until they're not.

I will say that as irritated as I have been with the GOP base and generally severely disappointed this cycle, at least you know there is some diversity of opinion, I guess. Or maybe the ability to entertain more than one idea at the same time, unlike the Left.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:19 pm
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:18 pm to
Sentrius pretty much echoes myself

quote:

respect the hell out of Rand but it's pretty much impossible to get a credible CIA director that both Rand and the rest of the GOP could be happy with.

That kind of director just doesn't exist.


Pompeo will be a massive upgrade over Brennan for sure

Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28123 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:18 pm to
70% Trump if I had a gun to my head
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76338 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:18 pm to
quote:

He should have been elected President. He'd be the best since Reagan.

I agree but republican voters are scared to death of all that freedom and the establishment....well, we know what piles of shite they are. They'll be the ones fighting Trump.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:20 pm to
He voted against him because he's a Clinton lackey and a POS.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108541 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:20 pm to
quote:

How, pray tell, did "this board" vote in the primaries?


I'll be fair to this board and say he was out by the time he reached most of our states. I voted for Rubio in the primaries because he was out by the point he reached my state.

That said, I still don't understand the mentality of allowing Iowa and New Hampshire to pretty much have a predominant say on who our next nominee will be. It should be in all 50 states for one night in May. That makes the most sense to me before fricking over the other states who may have voted for another candidate, but now feasibly won't win the state due to them not being on the ballot.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

He voted against him because he's a Clinton lackey and a POS.


Here they come!
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101466 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

I'll be fair to this board and say he was out by the time he reached most of our states.


Yeah, that's certainly one reason why it was a goofy point with regard to Rand.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40251 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:23 pm to
Rand is grandstanding because he knows Pompeo would get confirmed without him.

The libs and cucks are cheering him on but will turn on Rand again as soon as the next time comes around where he agrees with TRUMP.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8330 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:24 pm to
That's why I'm on board wth Pompeo in this role. But I'm also stoked that Rand took advantage of the opportunity to raise an essential point of view.

He and Trump could really form a powerhouse of a Republican Party. Trump can take it to the left with his pragmatic assault on their growing corruption and delusion while Rand can swoop in behind and leave the framework for an intellectual Republican Party built on principles.

That'll be the best case scenario for the next 8 years IMO
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:24 pm to
To be fair Rand read the tea leaves wrong and zagged to the establishment middle when he shoulda zagged to his origin (his father). His campaign was designed for a traditional race during a moment of populist upheaval and he got buried.
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