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Racial tensions will never go away so long as we are afraid to have honest discussions
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:08 am
There are facts related to the issue that can't even be discussed because they are considered 'racist'.
How do you fix a problem while willfully ignoring some root causes? You don't.
How do you fix a problem while willfully ignoring some root causes? You don't.
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:09 am to weagle99
And that's what the politicians want!
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:09 am to weagle99
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Racial tensions will never go away
Unless honesty is the root of all discussions.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:10 am to weagle99
quote:I've got about ten minutes. Can you explain these root causes, please?
How do you fix a problem while willfully ignoring some root causes?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:11 am to weagle99
Please list the "facts". Racist discussions seem to be welcome on this board.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:11 am to weagle99
Racial tensions will never go away because there will always be racist on both sides and there will always be money to be made from it.
Duke and Sharpton aren't doing it for the love of their race or country.
Duke and Sharpton aren't doing it for the love of their race or country.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:12 am to weagle99
This is why political correctness is the biggest problem in America.
It causes many bigger problems to go unsolved because we can't even discuss them honestly.
Crime, education, drug addiction, etc., are all issues that we have dishonest discussions about due to fear of being considered a racist, sexist, classist or xenophobe.
It causes many bigger problems to go unsolved because we can't even discuss them honestly.
Crime, education, drug addiction, etc., are all issues that we have dishonest discussions about due to fear of being considered a racist, sexist, classist or xenophobe.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:14 am to weagle99
I've lived in the south all of my life in a city that's 70% black and I've never seen anything that showed significant "racial tension". Everyone gets along.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:16 am to weagle99
It's not that people are afraid to have honest conversations, it's incredibly difficult to do so when sane actors are castigated and vilified by corrupt and dishonest voices who monopolize their fanatical fringe discord with their equally intellectually dishonest allies in the MSM.
People are so afraid of what other people may irrationally think of them. Free speech is the casualty.
People are so afraid of what other people may irrationally think of them. Free speech is the casualty.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:21 am to weagle99
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How do you fix a problem while willfully ignoring some root causes? You don't.
Some of the root causes date back to the Reconstruction era, some are earlier, and some are later. In addition to slavery, I'd argue that there is a generational mistrust by black people of white people, and I really wish there was more discussion of black authors who discussed these feelings. These feelings are out in the open. I think James Baldwin said it best, when in "Stranger in the Village," he said
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Just the same, there are days when I cannot pause and smile, when I have no heart to play with them; when, indeed, I mutter sourly to myself, exactly as I muttered on the streets of a city these children have never seen, when I was no bigger than these children are now: Your mother was a ****. Joyce is right about history being a nightmare-but it may be the nightmare from which no one can awaken. People are trapped in history and history is trapped in them.
If white people are concerned about their history being washed away, then shouldn't we talk about actual black history that was actually washed away? We spend a lot of time discussing the Civil War, but we don't talk about the extremely damaging Reconstruction era, where the feelings of bitterness on both sides were planted, and have yet to be uprooted, despite constant pleas for honesty.
Any discussion has to start with an honest discussion of history. Until then we will always be papering over problems with inelegant solutions, in my opinion.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:31 am to crazy4lsu
quote:What an excellent post. Many of these idiots out in the streets waving torches to preserve Lee statues have probably spent less than zero time reading works such as the one you quoted. And too much focus is on slavery, and not enough on Reconstruction...and then Jim Crow. Instead of being curious enough to educate themselves on the horrors of "black history" in a time of living memory, when millions of their fellow Americans are still alive to have lived through it, they instead get butthurt when movies like Selma or 12 Year a Slave come out and dismiss them with "oh boy...not ANOTHER one".
If white people are concerned about their history being washed away, then shouldn't we talk about actual black history that was actually washed away? We spend a lot of time discussing the Civil War, but we don't talk about the extremely damaging Reconstruction era, where the feelings of bitterness on both sides were planted, and have yet to be uprooted, despite constant pleas for honesty.
Any discussion has to start with an honest discussion of history. Until then we will always be papering over problems with inelegant solutions, in my opinion.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:38 am to crazy4lsu
quote:TNC had good commentary on this during the recent "controversy" over the new HBO series:
then shouldn't we talk about actual black history that was actually washed away?
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Skepticism must be the order of the day. So that when Benioff asks “what would the world have looked like … if the South had won,” we should not hesitate to ask what Benioff means by “the South.” He obviously does not mean the minority of white Southern unionists, who did win. And he does not mean those four million enslaved blacks, whom the Civil War ultimately emancipated, yet whose victory was tainted. Comprising 40 percent of the Confederacy’s population, this was the South’s indispensable laboring class, its chief resource, its chief source of wealth, and the sole reason why a Confederacy existed in the first place. But they are not the subject of Benioff’s inquiry, because he is not so much asking about “the South” winning, so much as he is asking about “the white South” winning.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:41 am to crazy4lsu
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generational mistrust by black people of white people
Has anyone ever told them who controlled the power structure and allowed them to achieve the gains they have?
No. They are taught that King and others just showed up and decided to change society one day, with no thought given to the fact that whites controlled the country. But if someone even suggests such a (true) idea that the decision utlimately rested with the white power structure that person will be shouted down as a bigot.
Just one example.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 10:42 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:41 am to crazy4lsu
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If white people are concerned about their history being washed away, then shouldn't we talk about actual black history that was actually washed away? We spend a lot of time discussing the Civil War, but we don't talk about the extremely damaging Reconstruction era, where the feelings of bitterness on both sides were planted, and have yet to be uprooted, despite constant pleas for honesty.
Any discussion has to start with an honest discussion of history. Until then we will always be papering over problems with inelegant solutions, in my opinion.
So really you just wanted to blame white people in this thread.
How utterly boring
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:45 am to Big Scrub TX
Coates is a damn genius. I love him.
I do wish people read Baldwin, Ishmael Reed, Toni Morrison, Richard Wright, Zora Neale Hurston, and many others. The output of black authors, and the discussions they were having 30, 40, 50 and 60 years ago are the same discussions we are having now. Baldwin's "Notes on a Native Son," is one of the most dazzling, gorgeous essays ever written in English, and its a shame the voices that articulated the problems within the black community and with the white community are not more widely read by everyone. None of those writers are needlessly esoteric, and their work has literary value outside of their race, especially when it was difficult for black authors to get published.
I do wish people read Baldwin, Ishmael Reed, Toni Morrison, Richard Wright, Zora Neale Hurston, and many others. The output of black authors, and the discussions they were having 30, 40, 50 and 60 years ago are the same discussions we are having now. Baldwin's "Notes on a Native Son," is one of the most dazzling, gorgeous essays ever written in English, and its a shame the voices that articulated the problems within the black community and with the white community are not more widely read by everyone. None of those writers are needlessly esoteric, and their work has literary value outside of their race, especially when it was difficult for black authors to get published.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:45 am to weagle99
Who decides what is honest? Hell, we can't even get a cocensous on things like, "Was Lincoln a Republican" and " Why was the Civil War fought?"
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:47 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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So really you just wanted to blame white people in this thread.
I didn't blame anyone directly or indirectly. If you think I did that's your own insecurity speaking, your own effusiveness clouding your ability to reason.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:48 am to weagle99
it will never go away as long as the candy-arse politicians keep 'giving in' to evert idiot with some sort of self-manufactured grievance.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:49 am to Revelator
It's almost as if some blacks have forgotten (or perhaps genuinely didn't know ?) that 360K , give or take , WHITE MEN died to free blacks from slavery in this country.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:53 am to weagle99
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Has anyone ever told them who controlled the power structure and allowed them to achieve the gains they have?
That isn't true. I can delineate a history from Marcus Garvey to Dr. King that shows they understood the power structure very well, and that there was a variety of opinion on what to do. Garvey's idea was to unite and stand as a united front from what he thought was eventual extermination by the hands of the white majority. King took an entirely different approach, precisely because he disagreed with Garvey's. At the same time, he implored the white moderate to take his side and stand with him, and once he got people on his side the tide in the Civil Rights era turned. Here is what King said:
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I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
This is an outright appeal to the white moderate and the power structure they inhabited.
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They are taught that King and others just showed up and decided to change society one day
This is not true.
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