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Question for the old timers - is this era of fake news and blatant bias unprecedented?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:12 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:12 am
I'm relatively young - so I didn't really start following politics closely until the last 10 years or so...has there ever been another situation like this where multiple world renowned news channels were posting blatantly false stories from fake/bad sources in a concentrated effort to disrupt a presidency?
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:14 am to The Pirate King
They very well could have, there just wasn't the internet to expose them.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:19 am to The Pirate King
Probably the same. The level of awareness brought on by the internet is making life hard for the MSM and politicians though
You can learn more in 3 minutes on this board than a group of friends at the library could research in a month during the 90s.
You can pool ideas/experiences with thousands rather than a handful.
Every single move, word, and tweet is documented and recoverable in seconds, rather than trying to remember a clip you might have read in the morning paper months/years ago.
It's going to get even harder for the next generation of politicians, whose entire lives are one hack away. From what they texted their middle school girlfriend, to the pics they shared with buddies in group texts. Every show they streamed on media, even the times of day/night spent watching. Uber rides to what part of town, most watched porn category, everything... Crazy to think about
Trump/Hillary didn't even have a cell phone until 50+ years old...
As for journalists the media can be held accountable by the masses now. Every average Joe has any and everything at the tip of their fingers, and they can all communicate instantly. All of them
You can learn more in 3 minutes on this board than a group of friends at the library could research in a month during the 90s.
You can pool ideas/experiences with thousands rather than a handful.
Every single move, word, and tweet is documented and recoverable in seconds, rather than trying to remember a clip you might have read in the morning paper months/years ago.
It's going to get even harder for the next generation of politicians, whose entire lives are one hack away. From what they texted their middle school girlfriend, to the pics they shared with buddies in group texts. Every show they streamed on media, even the times of day/night spent watching. Uber rides to what part of town, most watched porn category, everything... Crazy to think about
Trump/Hillary didn't even have a cell phone until 50+ years old...
As for journalists the media can be held accountable by the masses now. Every average Joe has any and everything at the tip of their fingers, and they can all communicate instantly. All of them
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 1:02 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:19 am to The Pirate King
The 24-hour (cable) news cycle is still relatively new. It used to be that the news ran once in the early evening--after journalists and anchors had spent a considerable amount of time researching and vetting stories.
Stupid stories didn't take because, quite frankly, folks wouldn't have put up with it. Really the first big contrived story I can recall is Dan Rather's manufactured "reporting" about President George W. Bush and his Air National Guard service.
So yeah, I'd say fake news is a recent phenomenon.
Stupid stories didn't take because, quite frankly, folks wouldn't have put up with it. Really the first big contrived story I can recall is Dan Rather's manufactured "reporting" about President George W. Bush and his Air National Guard service.
So yeah, I'd say fake news is a recent phenomenon.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:22 am to The Pirate King
no whats sad, is the gullibility of small mimded Americans that think some deep state exists to undermine the president when he does it to himself daily.
and then they have to go hoop jumpin to make the news fit their agenda, which is ironic, because thats exactly what they say is happening to their tweeting-stupid god emperor
and then they have to go hoop jumpin to make the news fit their agenda, which is ironic, because thats exactly what they say is happening to their tweeting-stupid god emperor
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:29 am to The Pirate King
William Randolph Hearst is probably the most notable early "fake news" guy. Kind of helped get us in a war with the Spanish.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:30 am to Cruiserhog
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gullibility of small mimded Americans that think some deep state exists to undermine the president when he does it to himself daily.
I'll grant that the latter is a possibility, but to deny the existence of a 'deep state' (which is more properly an entrenched bureaucratic apparatus) is willfully naive.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:36 am to Cruiserhog
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:41 am to The Pirate King
quote:That isn't what's happening at all.
has there ever been another situation like this where multiple world renowned news channels were posting blatantly false stories from fake/bad sources in a concentrated effort to disrupt a presidency?
What's happening is the establishment is putting out propaganda to see what we'll swallow as truth. It's a gauge to see what they can get away with.
No, this is nothing new. The establishment has been promoting propaganda since long before television or the internet.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:46 am to The Pirate King
I was just a few years old in '69, but If I recall correctly, the mainstream media tried to claim that we landed men on the moon. 
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:46 am to TigrrrDad
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I was just a few years old in '69, but If I recall correctly, the mainstream media tried to claim that we landed men on the moon.
Goddamnit.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:50 am to TX Tiger
We have never had a POTUS who spreads (in public venues) exaggerations, lies, and rumors like Donald Trump. That is unprecedented.
We have always had press outlets who spread rumors and false stories for political purposes. Some daily newspapers as far back as the 1780s were used primarily as political propaganda devices.
We have always had press outlets who spread rumors and false stories for political purposes. Some daily newspapers as far back as the 1780s were used primarily as political propaganda devices.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:51 am to TigrrrDad
quote:Does Buzz Aldrin know about this?
I was just a few years old in '69, but If I recall correctly, the mainstream media tried to claim that we landed men on the moon.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:52 am to GeorgeWest
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We have never had a POTUS who spreads (in public venues) exaggerations, lies, and rumors like Donald Trump. That is unprecedented.
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:53 am to The Pirate King
Well, the actual name for it is "yellow journalism". And yes, it happened in the past.
The difference is that the "legitimate" news sources back then were sources you could more or less trust. They had much more integrity than journalists do today.
The sources that practiced yellow journalism weren't really mainstream. Now, with the 24 hour news networks and the internet, yellow journalism is practiced by the big companies like CNN. It's mainstream now.
The difference is that the "legitimate" news sources back then were sources you could more or less trust. They had much more integrity than journalists do today.
The sources that practiced yellow journalism weren't really mainstream. Now, with the 24 hour news networks and the internet, yellow journalism is practiced by the big companies like CNN. It's mainstream now.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 12:55 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:56 am to GeorgeWest
quote:The establishment is really having Trump test the waters for them, there's no doubt about that.
We have never had a POTUS who spreads (in public venues) exaggerations, lies, and rumors like Donald Trump. That is unprecedented.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:02 am to PrimeTime Money
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news sources back then were sources you could more or less trust.
quote:You mean people back then were more easily fooled, were good little sheople, and didn't question authority like we wretched anti-American conspiracy kooks do today.
They had much more integrity than journalists do today.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:04 am to TX Tiger
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You mean people back then were more easily fooled, were good little sheople
You mock them, but how exactly do you think they could have done otherwise? There is little to no excuse in today's day and age to believe what you are told, but in other eras, there wasn't a viable alternative.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 1:05 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:04 am to The Pirate King
It has always been here, but they were able to keep up pretenses because there weren't other sources of info to call them out.
Now, the internet is here to blow their shite up. As a result, they don't really even try to hide it anymore.
Now, the internet is here to blow their shite up. As a result, they don't really even try to hide it anymore.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:09 am to Parmen
quote:this.
William Randolph Hearst is probably the most notable early "fake news" guy. Kind of helped get us in a war with the Spanish.
As long as there is news , there will be fake news
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