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Question for the board regarding illegals who commit crime:

Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:56 pm
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:56 pm
This question came to reading about the illegal immigrant in Atlanta that killed her family.

If an illegal immigrant commits a crime in America what should we do with them?

Deport them to wherever they came from or punish them here for their crimes using tax payer dollars?

Does your answer change based on whether the victim was a citizen or other illegal?

Does the severity of the crime change your stance at all?
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 8:57 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:00 pm to
Depends on the severity...unless we can be certain that the scumbag will be incarcerated if returned to his home country. Can't just deport him and risk him sneaking back in to commit more mayhem if he's a violent criminal.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19670 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:00 pm to
catapult them over the wall
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27812 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:01 pm to
Fly her back to Mexico,hanging by her neck from the chopper. Drop her rotten body in her home town well.
Posted by goatmilker
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Member since Feb 2009
64195 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:02 pm to
If an illegal immigrant commits a crime in America what should we do with them?

Most likely deport them.

Deport them to wherever they came from or punish them here for their crimes using tax payer dollars?

Deport if we have the swag.

Does your answer change based on whether the victim was a citizen or other illegal?

No I don't think so.

Does the severity of the crime change your stance at all?

A bit yes.
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5530 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:02 pm to
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unless we can be certain that the scumbag will be incarcerated if returned to his home country.


Nearly all countries won't recognize a penal judgment from another jurisdictions. Mainly because they did not have jurisdiction over the crime. The U.S. can't prosecute someone for crimes committed in Canada, and this follows that we can't also punish someone for crimes committed there.

So they'll go back to where they came from if we send them, but they're not going to punished there.
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5530 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

goatmilker


I generally think deport too, but my answer changes if it's a crime of violence and against an U.S. Citizen. I'd be pissed if an illegal harmed my family and his punishment was being sent back to where he came from to live as a free person.
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5530 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:05 pm to
quote:

goatmilker


Another follow up, if an illegal from the middle east comes here and plans terrorist shite, then I think we should lock them up here, not send them back, for obvious reasons.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64195 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:05 pm to
I tend to agree.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:07 pm to
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illegals


quote:

commit crime
Posted by burdhead
WOMP WOMP!!
Member since Apr 2017
6008 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:07 pm to
public hanging, even if the crime was jaywalking....wanna' come to america?....do it legally, no wetbacks allowed
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5530 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:10 pm to
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public hanging, even if the crime was jaywalking


I like to conform my discussions to outcomes that are actually constitutional.
Posted by burdhead
WOMP WOMP!!
Member since Apr 2017
6008 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:16 pm to
they are criminals....hang a couple and the rest will figure it out and haul arse
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5530 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:22 pm to
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they are criminals....hang a couple and the rest will figure it out and haul arse


Ok, but it is literally impossible to implement that. Even if we wanted to. Again, when discussing possible methods of handling something, I tend to only consider things which are possible solutions.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

Deport them to wherever they came from or punish them here for their crimes using tax payer dollars?


Punish. When punishment is done. Fly them over nation they came from. Strap on a parachute. Drop them.

quote:

Does your answer change based on whether the victim was a citizen or other illegal?

No

quote:

Does the severity of the crime change your stance at all?

Yes. For non-violent minor crimes. Skip to parachute step.
Posted by RantardoMontalbon
Member since May 2017
421 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:24 pm to
1. Punish in America depending on the severity of the crime.

2.


3. ???

4. MAGA.

Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141660 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:31 pm to
quote:

catapult them into the wall
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

Nearly all countries won't recognize a penal judgment from another jurisdictions. Mainly because they did not have jurisdiction over the crime. The U.S. can't prosecute someone for crimes committed in Canada, and this follows that we can't also punish someone for crimes committed there.

So they'll go back to where they came from if we send them, but they're not going to punished there.


I'm not an attorney, but this guy is, and he says otherwise.

"Q: If an American is convicted of a crime in a foreign country, can he or she serve the sentence in an American prison?

A: The U.S. has entered into prisoner transfer treaties with many nations that allow a person convicted of a crime to be transferred to his or her home country to serve the prison sentence. A prisoner who wants to be transferred should notify the U.S. embassy or consulate of his or her desire. The application then must be approved by the foreign country and the U.S. Department of Justice before the transfer can take place. A prisoner who is transferred to the U.S. will have his or her sentence reevaluated, and may be resentenced according to U.S. law."

And Mexico is one of those countries.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 9:49 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:51 pm to
quote:

Question for the board regarding illegals who commit crime:


Ummm...they committed a crime by evading the legal process of allowing them to be in this country??? Deport them.
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5530 posts
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:52 pm to
quote:

BamaGradinTn


That's only if both countries agree to. Obviously that treaty mentioned (one I was not aware of) is an example of an agreement. There certainly is not mandate that a country has to. I'm not going to say for sure, but I sincerely doubt that we have a similar treaty with ME countries. I practice state criminal law though. By no means an expert on international law. I just vaguely remember having to learn a little of this shite for the bar.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 9:54 pm
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