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re: public ban on the use of tobacco
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:17 pm to DelU249
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:17 pm to DelU249
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You don't have the right to force a business owner to provide you with services under YOUR terms.
And I wouldn't dream of trying in a municipality that left it to businesses to decide.
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:19 pm to Navytiger74
New Jersey bans smoking in restaurants and bars and all public places except casinos because the casino lobby bought off the state. At least now you can eat without throwing up due to smoke.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:20 pm to Navytiger74
Do it all day. The study I linked was published in 2013, and took place over a 30 year period. When were your studies published, and what were the parameters?
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:21 pm to ZZTIGERS
Penn and Teller did a great bullshite episode on SHS...
additionally, I cannot understand the war against the tobacco companies. How many car accidents are the result of alcohol intoxication, how many people die of liver failure from alcohol abuse? Again, why is the public disgust and outrage aimed at the tobacco companies. If you're a big government liberal you must really be in a crunch. On one hand you like telling people what to do, on the other the tobacco companies fund god knows how much of the social welfare programs you love. The tax and regulate the shite out of this and then force them to do these campaigns where they have to fricking lie about statistics linked with SHS
and why is the push against SHS bigger than the push against the nasty shite it does to the actual user? Talk about anti freedom...that's an understatement.
additionally, I cannot understand the war against the tobacco companies. How many car accidents are the result of alcohol intoxication, how many people die of liver failure from alcohol abuse? Again, why is the public disgust and outrage aimed at the tobacco companies. If you're a big government liberal you must really be in a crunch. On one hand you like telling people what to do, on the other the tobacco companies fund god knows how much of the social welfare programs you love. The tax and regulate the shite out of this and then force them to do these campaigns where they have to fricking lie about statistics linked with SHS
and why is the push against SHS bigger than the push against the nasty shite it does to the actual user? Talk about anti freedom...that's an understatement.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:22 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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At least now you can eat without throwing up due to smoke.
this was a problem for you before? Most restaurants wouldn't allow smoking anyway. You must have been eating at some real shitholes.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:24 pm to ZZTIGERS
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Do it all day. The study I linked was published in 2013, and took place over a 30 year period. When were your studies published, and what were the parameters?
And I'm not questioning its credibility as a single dissenting study. It doesn't, however, seem to have shaken the near-concensus in the medical community that exposure to second-hand smoke is detrimental to one's health over the long term. It's not just Cancer, btw. There are other cardio-pulmonary effects, increased incidences of asthma, etc.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:26 pm to Toddy
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This is already happening. There is a complete smoking ban on the Ole Miss campus (including the outside)
LSU is instituting this soon. I can remember sitting in Allen Hall, the Union listening room, etc., waiting for my classes to begin while puffing on a Marlboro. That seems like ages ago. Well, it pretty much was "ages ago."
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:26 pm to DelU249
Some places that allowed smoking smelled. If you get some puffing next to you stunk Burn your clothes. Now you can eat and hopefully enjoy the food. Smoking stinks!
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:27 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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At least now you can eat without throwing up due to smoke.
That's wonderful. Good for NJ.
How about a solution that doesn't involve government intervention?
If the American public decides they want to be health conscious and avoid 2nd hand smoke then business owners can adjust accordingly and either decide to ban it or allow it, depending on their clientele.
If the customers demand they ban smoking, and they don't ban it, they may lose business.
If the customers demand they don't ban it, and they do, they may lose business.
It's a win-win for everybody without government needing to get involved.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:29 pm to UGATiger26
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That's wonderful. Good for NJ.
We're talking about a state that thinks it's citizens are too stupid to pump their own gasoline.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:29 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Some places that allowed smoking smelled
then don't fricking eat there. I find it hysterical people think they have the right to dictate terms of the business. You clearly figured it out for yourself, so use your vote that really matters (your fricking money)Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:32 pm to UGATiger26
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How about a solution that doesn't involve government intervention
it amazes me, if they would just GTFO the way everything would be better.
The market solves 99.9% of problems. This isn't an exception
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:33 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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pump their own gasoline
unions
god damn I hate America sometimes
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:38 pm to UGATiger26
You need government intervention to get things done sometimes. It took the gov to end segregation when a lot of businesses were whites only. Just as an example. I have no problem and applaud when gov does something positive for once and bans smoking in public places. Hust as I applaud making it illegal to text and drive or talk on anon hands free phone. I also applaud mandatory helmet laws and seat belt laws front and back. OK so a little off the track
Just as in smoking in casinos, the gas station owners lobby bought off the gov in NJ and no self service.
Just as in smoking in casinos, the gas station owners lobby bought off the gov in NJ and no self service.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:45 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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It took the gov to end segregation
segregation was existing law, and I would guess that if I went and looked at the books for say, los angeles county, I would find some form of jim crow legislation
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:45 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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You need government intervention to get things done sometimes.
I agree. But I don't see smoking on private property as an area that government needs to be involved in.
Yes, you can claim it's a health hazard, but it's not inescapable. If you don't want to eat in a restaurant that allows smoking, then you can go to a restaurant that bans it.
I don't see texting and driving as analogous. I cannot choose who I drive next to or who I share roads with.
I don't see seatbelt/helmet laws as analogous either. My understanding of those laws is that they were created for healthcare expense reasons. Banning a smoker from smoking in a certain area is not going to make him quit smoking altogether. The health risk lies in the act of smoking, not in where you smoke.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:47 pm to UGATiger26
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If the customers demand they ban smoking, and they don't ban it, they may lose business.
Gov't needed to prime the pump on this one. Now lots of bars don't allow smoking when they could.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:47 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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I also applaud mandatory helmet laws and seat belt laws front and back. OK so a little off the track
you applaud the government telling people what to do when their action or inaction has no effect on anyone else? God I hope you don't come from money, you deserve to live in the utopia you keep voting for.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:49 pm to Hawkeye95
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Gov't needed to prime the pump on this one.
No, people who don't want smoke-filled environments should have primed the pump. They were the ones bitching to government about it.
You hate freedom, and I want to see you say you don't.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:50 pm to Hawkeye95
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Gov't needed to prime the pump on this one. Now lots of bars don't allow smoking when they could
Not sure what you mean here.
We needed government to tell us that smoking is bad?
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