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re: Protectionism is not the answer
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:54 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:54 pm to I B Freeman
Any discussion of what worked or didn't in the 30s is pointless. The world is a different place and what worked then might not now and what didn't work then might work now.
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:52 pm to buckeye_vol
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I must have a completely different interpretation of the powers and rights of the Constitution than many here
No, you are just against the govt. doing much of anything when it comes to trade
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I primarily interpret it as what the government CAN and CAN'T do, not that the SHOULD or SHOULDN'T do.
Certainly, but the Govt. is to provide for national defense, and as a body it is there call as how to do it. How they do it is always up for debate.
The debate over what they should do to defend us, what to do or not do to provide for public welfare, and how they should regulate commerce. These debates have gone on for over 300 years, and will continue.
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So not regulating something is just as much a use of the power as regulating it. Then it becomes which is the best choice. And 230 plus years of evidence suggests that less is usually more when it comes to the government
And doing nothing can be an abdication of power, and a way not to do what's in the country's best interest.
I'm for small govt. too. I'd abolish the DOE, I was never for Obamacare, and the system of sending much of our tax dollars to DC and having the states beg to get their share is wrong; however, regulating trade and looking out for American business, American workers to a certain extent is a just and proper role of the US Govt, and I hope Trump acts in our best interests to protect businesses, protect consumers, and protect our workers by making good trade agreements and not by giving away the store and doing nothing.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:54 pm to doubleb
quote:True, but more like much of anything altogether.
No, you are just against the govt. doing much of anything when it comes to trade
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:54 pm to doubleb
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And doing nothing can be an abdication of power, and a way not to do what's in the country's best interest.
That's progressive thought.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:55 pm to I B Freeman
We want fair trade. We don't have that and thus we have a trade deficit with every nation we trade with.
You really want to keep the status quo?
You really want to keep the status quo?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:55 pm to deltaland
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would agree if both sides in trade participated in free trade. Other countries tariff our exports while we do very little which puts us at a disadvantage.
So if China doesn't have totally free economy Americans shouldn't either?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:57 pm to Seldom Seen
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We want fair trade.
is it fair to consumers to "punish" China at their expense?
Please, tell me who is supposed to be getting the "fairest" deal here, because it can't be everyone at once.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That's progressive thought.
No, it's common sense.
Has anything president tried not to regulate trade to help the US? Has any president pushed to erase all tariffs?
I'm for limited Govt, not no Govt.
I'm for strict construction, and not for giving the Govt. powers not in the Constitution. This is certainly not what is going on with Trump.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:00 pm to MrCarton
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quote: would agree if both sides in trade participated in free trade. Other countries tariff our exports while we do very little which puts us at a disadvantage. So if China doesn't have totally free economy Americans shouldn't either?
America should do whatever is most advantageous for its citizens.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If it is, then good. Glad to have them on board holding othe cointries accountable for their actions
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:01 pm to MrCarton
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if China doesn't have totally free economy Americans shouldn't either?
Correct sir. Why should we trade with a country thats not playing fair
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:02 pm to doubleb
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No, it's common sense
I've said it before, Trump will probably do more to move conservatives toward progressivism than Obama could.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:04 pm to MrCarton
Jobs vs low cost is an old argument.
We are at the point where jobs to be able to live a functioning life is more important than buying a 20$ cheaper tv.
We are at the point where jobs to be able to live a functioning life is more important than buying a 20$ cheaper tv.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:05 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well then we better ban technology and innovation since it does the very same thing.
And at a rate faster than what trade is doing.
Perhaps we should all be Luddites and tax innovation and technology.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Oh thats way over the top. Its a simple idea.
Either trade fair, or dont trade. Thats neither conservative nor progressive.
Either trade fair, or dont trade. Thats neither conservative nor progressive.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:08 pm to Jjdoc
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Correct sir. Why should we trade with a country thats not playing fair
Fair for who?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:10 pm to Jjdoc
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Oh thats way over the top. Its a simple idea.
It's already happening. Protectionism is a fantastic start
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:12 pm to Jjdoc
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Jobs vs low cost is an old argument.
So? Import tariffs aren't going to be a magical jobs creator. deregulating our industries across the board is the important step that needs to be taken. it addresses both issues simultaneously.
Nothing the US can do, short of invading and occupying China will make China a "fair" trading partner. Trump needs to focus on his own governments lack of fairness in its regulatory processes first.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:13 pm to MrCarton
Both sides.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:15 pm to Jjdoc
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We are at the point where jobs to be able to live a functioning life is more important than buying a 20$ cheaper tv.
So China's trade practices are what's causing the social and economic dysfunction in the US?
Sounds like we need to invade them then.
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