re: Progressive Utopia Venezuela

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You certsinly call Sweden a socialist country

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The state owns the means of production? It has some Socialist tendencies, which can function in homogenous high IQ societies yet devolve rapidly in anything else.

Von Mises wrote extensively about why Germany was a socialist state

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Yea your right clown

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Never gets old

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The Nazi's were not socialist by accepted definition.

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The Nazis disagree.

Being a Leftist means never having to say you are sorry . Is it any wonder that so many sociopaths are drawn to it ?

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you know the NAZI's were socialists correct? Liberal 101, always lie about what you really believe

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They were authoritarian, militarily strong, xenophobic, signed their rights away because of outside "threats", and allowed big govt and corporate control to run their lives. Sounds like a modern day "conservative" if you ask me. Maybe pull your head out of your unaware arse.

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They were authoritarian, militarily strong, xenophobic, signed their rights away because of outside "threats", and allowed big govt and corporate control to run their lives. Sounds like a modern day "conservative" if you ask me. Maybe pull your head out of your unaware arse.

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Socialism is an economic platform.

Natziism just has never been attempted in the right way.

Sure, but Sweden isn't a fascist country. Nazi Germany was socialist. That's a ridiculous false equivalence.

Since you're demeaning Mises, might as well link what the institute's argument is: Why Nazism Was Socialism

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The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.

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They also believed in extensive price controls, collectivism over individualism, that the state was responsible for providing a job to every citizen, massive expanding of welfare for seniors, and the division of profits of all heavy industries. They also "demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest." Sound familiar google?



Yes, nazism shares characteristics of the modern right. Yes, nazism shares characteristics of the modern left. Because every political philosophy to ever exist shares at least some characteristics with every other creed. But no, nazism is no where close to being equivalent to either end of our modern political spectrum. It is ridiculously disingenuous for you to suggest that it is.

Libs embarrassing themselves in this thread

They were claiming Venezuela until it obviously did not work

Facism didn't kill anyone. The people did. Any ideology can work. It's all about which kind of people or culture live within it and drive it.