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re: Pope Francis allies: Bannon use 'apocalyptic geopolitics' like islamic extremists
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:02 pm to Pocket Kingz
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:02 pm to Pocket Kingz
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This Pope's willingness to speak bluntly is refreshing.
Lol, sure. If he took a position to the right of Chavez it would be refreshing.
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for Bannon, he's right on the money.
No. He's not. Bannon isn't motivated by American Evangelical eschatology from the 1920s. The Leftist Catholics studied that in seminary and see it in every action the US takes in foreign policy that isn't explicitly globalist.
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:11 pm to bamafan1001
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The road to Hell is filled with those that live "good lives"
Exactly, you are making my point. Living a "good life" for the wrong reasons is the Road to Hell. All of the worst monsters in history thought they were doing what was right. You have to do things the right way and for the right reasons. It has to come from a place of deep love for God and for others.
Someone who is truly "doing good" doesn't know that they are "doing good". They don't tell people they are. They don't brag about it, nor is it a conscious decision. It's automatic because it's ingrained in them as the right thing to do in every situation.
Loving God is not what we were created for. We were created so that we could no God's love and choose to love him back. Once we grow out of that adolescent relationship with God, that he gives us strict rules we must enforce because he says so, we start to mature in our faith. Those rules aren't there for God, they're there for us. They're not there for us to enforce on others, they're there for us to hold ourselves accountable. They're not there to restrict us arbitrarily, but instead for the benefit of ourselves and all others.
We know this because God is not retributive. When we stray from him he does not cast us out upon our return. He welcomes us back into the fold with open arms. God is always forgiving of those who are truly contrite.
Loving God is nothing but a series of choices to be the best possible version of yourself at all times. It is a series of decisions to be best person you can possibly be to every person you meet every day, not because you need to, but because you want to, and never because you want the attention or adoration. Loving God is loving your neighbor as yourself. Doing good works is not always loving God, but loving God always lends itself to good works.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:22 pm to kingbob
There are none that are good, intentions or not:
quote:
There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:27 pm to bamafan1001
Oooh, quoting Paul quoting psalms, eh? I thought we were talking about the Gospels not the epistles that routinely contradict them or the psalms written by Kind David over 1000 years before Jesus was born. Besides, your quote is grossly out of context. It was a response to an atheist saying that God must not exist because there are all of these evil people out there doing evil things. Paul's reply is that those people have turned away from God.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:27 pm to kingbob
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I thought we were talking about the Gospels not the epistles that routinely contradict them or the psalms written by Kind David over 1000 years before Jesus was born. B
Uh oh. Looks like we have a Bible scholar here.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:28 pm to the808bass
pls teach me patristics
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:29 pm to the808bass
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Uh oh. Looks like we have a Bible scholar here.
And they say Papists don't read scripture.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:31 pm to kingbob
I'm not a papist. You aren't either. So I'm unclear of your comment's intent.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:32 pm to kingbob
quote:yeah this is after the fall of berlin.
As in most things, the church was not monolithic during WWII
ironically the pope is an Italian from Argentina...why do Italians and germans live in Argentina?
and the last one was a hitler youth. i'm sure he didn't have a choice, but that should be an immediate disqualifier
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:33 pm to the808bass
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I'm not a papist. You aren't either. So I'm unclear of your comment's intent.
Actually, I'm a practicing Catholic. I'm the product of a Jewish mother and Catholic father.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:35 pm to kingbob
You better practice harder.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:38 pm to DelU249
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yeah this is after the fall of berlin.
Actually, no. Much of this was in the lead up to D-Day. In fact, the Pope was also involved in several assassination attempts of Hitler. Catholic priests were helping aid Claus von Stauffenberg's coup which inevitably failed unfortunately. As I said, the church walked a fine line, often tacitly supporting the fascist regimes in public while scheming against them behind closed doors. The Pope was even using his priests in France to help report German troop movements to the allies leading up to D-Day.
I wasn't a big fan of Cardinal Ratzinger, nor do I often agree with Pope Francis when he discusses how countries should respond to political issues, but your criticisms are ridiculous, ignorant, irrelevant, and off base.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:40 pm to kingbob
I'm additionally talking about the network the Vatican ran after the war to smuggle war criminals to South America
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:43 pm to the808bass
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You better practice harder.
At what? Shaming people? Giving fire and brimstone sermons about how everyone is doomed to eternal damnation? Telling everyone that we must hate everyone who doesn't belong to the exact church we attend because they're all evil monsters of Satan? That even Catholics aren't real Christians because they don't read scripture and worship the Pope?
That's what I experienced attending Protestant services. At the Catholic churches I frequent, the message is always a welcoming one. The doors are always open for guidance no matter how many times you've sinned. Judging isn't in the job description in the Catholic faith for anyone save the Lord himself.
You know what, I do need to practice harder at building that personal relationship with God. I do need to try to be better to people whether that is strangers, acquaintances, or family. I have my own flaws to deal with, that is certainly true, but I do feel as if I have at least a decent grasp on the big picture for a layman.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:50 pm to DelU249
I'd like to see some links. I've heard of individual priests and cardinals being involved in such a scheme but never of a widespread Vatican led effort to do so.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:50 pm to DelU249
quote:I don't attend church very often anymore, and I don't remember, and didn't pay that much attention, to the homilies when I was younger. However, I can't say I ever recall anything related to the Isreal or any anti-semitism.
Countless homilies and during one in particular used Israel as an analogy to some innocuous completely unrelated statement.
Maybe they did, or maybe there is some regional differences, or maybe you had some atypical priests, or maybe you're recollection is a little skewed.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:52 pm to kingbob
Are you saying Paul's letters are not inspired scripture?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:18 pm to bamafan1001
I'm saying Paul's letters are not the Gospel.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:19 pm to tigerinDC09
frick pope Francis
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:20 pm to buckeye_vol
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maybe you're recollection is a little skewed
i can recall every detail from a house we moved out of before I was 2. Doubtful, and we're not even talking about one instance. Countless
My priest in Connecticut was actually the worst one
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