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Past time for a White House shakeup

Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:59 am
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:59 am
The amount of leaking and shadowiness in this administration is staggering. There's no discipline, as well as a lack of trust and loyalty. Should start with Reince. It's clear he was in over his head.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:20 am to
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The amount of leaking and shadowiness in this administration is staggering. There's no discipline, as well as a lack of trust and loyalty. Should start with Reince. It's clear he was in over his head.


1. Trump loves leaks
2. Shallow? Anyone more shallow than Trump
3. Discipline, Look at Trump
4. Trump isn't loyal or trustworthy so why should they
5. Reince, you could be right

But let's be honest it all starts from the top and you want people in the WH to give the President something he gives to nobody in that building? His management style is shite. The only reason he doesn't cut any of them lose is because each of them is looking at 5 million dollar book deals once they leave.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:22 am
Posted by someoneBEE
Member since Aug 2016
698 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:23 am to
Leaks are coming from Obama (Ideology before the nation) Operatives and the so called "Deep State".

Obama-Rice-Lynch-Brennan-Clapper-Comey spied on political opponents using FISA.

Rice unmasked the names of American citizens in FISA "Wiretap" Surveillance Documents. Flynn leak came from her.

Comey leaked the memo with classified information.

So, based on all of this my guess is that Mueller is leaking everything just like his friend Comey.

This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:25 am
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55496 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:25 am to
There is little to nothing about the structure of even the executive branch that is conducive towards holistic, concentrated policy or action unless it is in line with the 'preferred course' of controlling interests. Because some of the administration's stated aims are antithetical to what I believe to be the aim of the bureaucratic/political class, I do not envision a scenario in which it can be effective without some seriously strong-handed tactics. Good showmanship, bait, trolling, etc., can only go so far. Much better to give orders rather than to manipulate the opposition in to a favorable position. How the frick that happens without totally upending our system of governance, I do not know.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:27 am to
I believe Flynn walks because they outed him. Flynn probably has one hell of a lawsuit against the Feds and we probably see them drop charges if he agrees not to sue. I actually feel bad for Flynn to some extent. They did him so dirty.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:30 am to
It's time for President Pence folks...
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55496 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:32 am to
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It's time for President Pence folks...



Nah

Damn, late night poliboard is full of defeatist figs and shills. Who'da thunk.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:34 am
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:35 am to
Democrats have completely stalled the Trump agenda. Russia has sucked the oxygen out their legislative sails. Pence could salving the agenda and help GOP gain seats in both Senate and House.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55496 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:37 am to
I don't give a good goddamn about the GOP. I want nothing to do with unfashionably late Democrats, save for the few members of the House and Senate who actually have some principles and aren't whores. I'd rather have a rapid acceleration of moronic prog policies that induce a real response than a slow death of limp-wristed Republicans.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:38 am to
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Damn, late night poliboard is full of defeatist figs and shills. Who'da thunk.


I've at least got a clue about what's gonna on and the lost opportunity Trumps dealing his supporters. You should be loyal to the ideas not the man. The platforms what's important.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:38 am to
Leaks from the West Wing are coming from Obama?

Wut?
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55496 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:39 am to
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I've at least got a clue about what's gonna on and the lost opportunity Trumps dealing his supporters. You should be loyal to the ideas not the man. The platforms what's important.



I am. That's why I'm loling at your pining for Pence. Maybe if Bannon was next in line, you'd have a point. Pence is just insurance.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:40 am to
Democrats have not stalled the Trump agenda.

Trump has stalled the Trump agenda.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:41 am to
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I don't give a good goddamn about the GOP. I want nothing to do with unfashionably late Democrats, save for the few members of the House and Senate who actually have some principles and aren't whores. I'd rather have a rapid acceleration of moronic prog policies that induce a real response than a slow death of limp-wristed Republicans.



Seems to be some confusion about the objective here? Pence could get this government moving and passing an agenda that stops the acceleration of the progressive movement. Trump has zero clue about how to execute and pass effective policy.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:42 am to
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Democrats have not stalled the Trump agenda.

Trump has stalled the Trump agenda.


Democrats get to take credit though is more of the point
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55496 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:44 am to
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Seems to be some confusion about the objective here? Pence could get this government moving and passing an agenda that stops the acceleration of the progressive movement. Trump has zero clue about how to execute and pass effective policy.



There is nothing about Pence that makes me think he would actually be effective in doing so. Not that I think Trump has much chance at it, but I think it's a better bet than Pence. Unfortunately, I am incredibly pessimistic about federal politics, and I'm just waiting for this shite-train to run off the rails and create chaos so there will be a chance for actual change instead of a continutation of 'business as usual'.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:45 am to
Got it.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:46 am to
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I am. That's why I'm loling at your pining for Pence. Maybe if Bannon was next in line, you'd have a point. Pence is just insurance.


Trump goes down he could bring the entire party with him. Sounds novel to you Trump and Bannon but the consequences are the Democrats pulling a Garland on Trumps SCOTUS nominees until 2020 when the Dems capture the WH. Republicans have a chance to dominate the court for a generation.

Pence will keep the agenda but will be more savvy in dealing with congress.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55496 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:51 am to
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Pence will keep the agenda but will be more savvy in dealing with congress.



Christ a'mighty. He would certainly be better at passing bills (note that I find active legislation to be incredibly distasteful other than repealing what has been passed), but I have no faith that his platform would resemble Trump's at all. I do not give a shite about political, legislative victories, only good policies.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:11 am to
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Christ a'mighty. He would certainly be better at passing bills (note that I find active legislation to be incredibly distasteful other than repealing what has been passed), but I have no faith that his platform would resemble Trump's at all. I do not give a shite about political, legislative victories, only good policies.


You mean like Tax Reform ?

Yea just keep waiting on Trump
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