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Operation Northwoods. WTH?

Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:54 am
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:54 am
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In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.



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The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes. The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. "These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.




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The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show. Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."


This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 1:58 am
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:03 am to
Germans
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:05 am to
Only reason it was declassified was due to an investigation into the assassination of a US President. Would just be another Top Secret document we are oblivious to otherwise.

If the Joint Chiefs of Staff were willing to just slap that proposal on the Presidents desk how uncommon do you think operations like this are/were?

And also while scary, the Cuban Missile Crisis was scarier. Operation Northwoods was proposed in march of 1962, not making a move in Cuba led to that crisis in October of 62.

Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 2:29 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58033 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:07 am to
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Germans


Well it's hard to post a topic from so far back and it not be Germans. Thanks for adding nothing to the thread.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 2:08 am
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:39 am to
Heard of this operation a year or so ago. Just makes you shake your head a what lengths our government is willing to go.
Posted by bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:04 am to
This is why the joint chiefs killed Kennedy. He was about to expose them and they couldn't allow it. Bamford's history of the NSA is eye opening.
Posted by CajunZ81
Mexico City
Member since Jun 2010
1743 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 4:54 am to
With this evidence, why is it so hard for people to realize that 9/11 was an inside job? It's basically the exact same thing.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
8379 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:38 am to
Remember the Maine!
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59667 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:45 am to
Did the Cubans follow a religion that said to kill all non believers?

Muslims still suck
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
14061 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:52 am to
They lied about the USS Maddox being fired upon and we were drug into the Vietnam war because of it. A shitload of money was made including a company tied to LBJs wife.

gulf of Tonkin incident
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:56 am to
Don't doubt it one bit
Posted by Asharad
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:59 am to
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With this evidence, why is it so hard for people to realize that 9/11 was an inside job? It's basically the exact same thing.
It only takes a few people to suggest such a plan, but it takes several thousand to execute one. The former is easier to keep secret, the latter is impossible to keep secret.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 6:01 am
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64661 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:13 am to
We know they be crooked. I am all patriot and is why we need to stay aware of what 'they' are doing. Some conspiracy theories hold some legitimacy.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 6:15 am
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:20 am to
Duh...

Just to contrast, if you watch news reports of that time, it was absolutely foreign to assume the federal government would hide anything from the people...

Absolutely unheard of...and the press absolutely attacked people that did...
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:22 am to
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Some conspiracy theories hold some legitimacy.


The misinformation crowd pushes things like flat earth, the Finland conspiracy and others like that to obfuscate what is true.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64661 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:50 am to
There is some truth to that as well. Just muddy the waters to lay doubt elsewhere.

Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:52 am to
How did Trump pull that off when he was only in his early teens?
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Member since Jan 2014
27264 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:04 am to
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"We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba,"


Not original. Been there, done that in Havana.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:11 am to
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If the Joint Chiefs of Staff were willing to just slap that proposal on the Presidents desk how uncommon do you think operations like this are/were?


Was this an actual suggested plan to put into operation, or one of the "think tank" hypotheticals?
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:13 am to
Not surprised.
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