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re: On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you that this Russia story
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:53 am to Pussykat
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:53 am to Pussykat
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I firmly believe that the Russians interfered in our elections in 2015-16. And that said interference was INTENDED to do three things: (1) undermine confidence in our electoral system, (2) hurt Hillary Clinton as much as possible, and (3) help Donald Trump as much as possible.
This alone demands an independent of Congress investigation.
What I am unclear about is of any of Trump's people were in any form of collusion with the Russians in doing this. So many of the Trumpkins as well as Trump's family had plenty of contacts with nefarious Russians and their agents in the 8-10 years before that election. And the constant lying about these contacts has added even more suspicion on the Trumpkins on this issue.
I say let the Independent Commission investigate the collusion charges as well.
I firmly believe that the Russians interfered in our elections in 2015-16. And that said interference was INTENDED to do three things: (1) undermine confidence in our electoral system, (2) hurt Hillary Clinton as much as possible, and (3) help Donald Trump as much as possible.
This alone demands an independent of Congress investigation.
What I am unclear about is of any of Trump's people were in any form of collusion with the Russians in doing this. So many of the Trumpkins as well as Trump's family had plenty of contacts with nefarious Russians and their agents in the 8-10 years before that election. And the constant lying about these contacts has added even more suspicion on the Trumpkins on this issue.
I say let the Independent Commission investigate the collusion charges as well.
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:18 pm to GeorgeWest
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I firmly believe that the Russians interfered in our elections in 2015-16. And that said interference was INTENDED to do three things: (1) undermine confidence in our electoral system, (2) hurt Hillary Clinton as much as possible, and (3) help Donald Trump as much as possible.
You have a right to your belief even though there has been no actual evidence presented that supports it.
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This alone demands an independent of Congress investigation.
Your belief alone is not grounds to have an "independent of Congress investigation".
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What I am unclear about is of any of Trump's people were in any form of collusion with the Russians in doing this. So many of the Trumpkins as well as Trump's family had plenty of contacts with nefarious Russians and their agents in the 8-10 years before that election. And the constant lying about these contacts has added even more suspicion on the Trumpkins on this issue.
Some contact with a few Russians is not evidence that proves they colluded with the Russians.
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I say let the Independent Commission investigate the collusion charges as well.
I say provide some actual evidence that Trump's people colluded with the Russians and I'll support an Independent Commission investigation.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:31 pm to Pettifogger
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It is people like you who are appealing to authority by acting like the IC concluded it's a 100% certainty that the Russians tried to influence the election.
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Haha, what on earth are you talking about? You're just blatantly lying now.
You picked a fight with me because I took a position you construed as not being entirely supportive of Trump. I never "argued" in favor of my 100% position at all. I have no burden of proof as to why I'm 100% confident in my position. Nonetheless, you're miffed because your argument isn't going to plan, so now you're willing to fabricate shite to stay in this discussion. It's pathetic.
You took a position that I pointed out even the IC does not take based on the evidence they have.
When I asked you to present the evidence you have that you based your 100% confidence on, you could not produce any evidence other than the evidence the IC has.
At least the IC admitted that based on the evidence they have seen, they "might be wrong".
What's pathetic is you can't even admit that based on the evidence you have seen, you "might be wrong".
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:33 pm to goldennugget
3.185 x Pi
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:33 pm to DawgfaninCa
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You took a position that I pointed out even the IC does not take based on the evidence they have.
Yes, and?
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What's pathetic is you can't even admit that based on the evidence you have seen, you "might be wrong".
I'm not wrong. I'm sorry this perturbs you so much, but I'm not asking you to agree with me. In fact, I'd prefer we remain on opposite sides of most things.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:42 pm to goldennugget
Tree. Fiddy.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:43 pm to goldennugget
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:45 pm to goldennugget
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:45 pm to goldennugget
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democrats/deep state/GOP establishmen
May I add, globalists world-wide.
The true power players behind the scenes and upper-echelon of the pyramid could give a rat's arse who is president. Government has no sway over them. They can start a war whenever and destroy money supplies whenever. Economic upheaval, the whole bit.
They are loving this chaos; they eat it up. Nothing is going to change the directive and trajectory of the world elite. This is all kibbles-n-bits for us proles.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:04 pm to Pettifogger
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You took a position that I pointed out even the IC does not take based on the evidence they have.
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Yes, and?
And I'm sure the IC examined that evidence much more closely than you did yet you come to the conclusion it is enough evidence for you to be 100% confident the Russians tried to influence the election while the IC came to the conclusion they could only have "high confidence" the Russians tried to influence the election and the IC "might be wrong".
That doesn't make sense and as Judge Judy says, "If it doesn't make sense then it isn't the truth."
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What's pathetic is you can't even admit that based on the evidence you have seen, you "might be wrong".
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I'm not wrong.
So you are asserting that you are better than the IC at examining evidence and determining what that evidence proves because the IC says their conclusion "might be wrong" while you are saying your conclusion can't be wrong.
Again, that doesn't make sense.
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I'm sorry this perturbs you so much, but I'm not asking you to agree with me.
I don't agree with someone just because they ask me to agree with them.
Unlike you, I base my conclusions on actual evidence not on what I want to believe is the truth.
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In fact, I'd prefer we remain on opposite sides of most things.
Since you make conclusions that are not based on actual evidence then we will remain on opposite sides of everything.
However, that's fine with me.
Let's be strangers.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:38 pm to goldennugget
Fairly confident that Feinstein and Grassley have seen some (or most) of the top secret intel and it had an extremely sobering effect on them. Just from piecing various media information together. My guess is the TS intel is extremely bad for Trump.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:59 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Fairly confident that Feinstein and Grassley have seen some (or most) of the top secret intel and it had an extremely sobering effect on them.
Meh, I have the evidence that proves Feinstein was part of a scheme by the SF Board of Supervisors to embezzle hundreds of thousands of dollars that was raised to be used to regulate and enforce the Street Artists Ordinance by illegally amending a ballot measure.
Just look up SF Ordinance #293-76 if you don't believe me.
Besides, the 25 page unclassified intelligence report stated that the IC has no evidence except circumstantial evidence and they stated what that circumstantial evidence is.
If the IC showed Feinstein and Grassley some other actual evidence which is extremely bad for Trump then the IC lied in their 25 page unclassified intelligence report.
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