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re: Oklahoma prof offers insight into why Obama said ISIL is not Islamic
Posted on 9/12/14 at 8:51 am to L.A.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 8:51 am to L.A.
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I don't know if this was really Obama's motive or not, but it makes sense.
Is the author saying the two options are:
A. Say that ISIS isn't Islamic
B. Declare war on Islam
There is a pretty large middle ground here upon which Obama could have both not declared war on Islam and not trivialized the role Islam plays in ISIS's goals and acts.
Not mentioning it at all would have been preferable to saying they are not Islamic, which he and everyone else knows to be at odds with reality. It makes him seem duplicitous to us and you would have to think Muslim listeners see it as a weak and transparent attempt to appease.
ISIS is trying to establish the Caliphate for goodness sake. People like Obama who consider themselves enlightened love to stand in the gray area, but there's no real gray area here.
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:53 am to L.A.
soooo is ISIS actually ISIL?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 10:03 am to L.A.
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There is nothing that ISIL would like more than to see Western powers, particularly the US, openly declare war on Islam.
ISIL is not the only one that would like to see this. It's time to eradicate this pestilence.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:12 pm to uway
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Not mentioning it at all would have been preferable to saying they are not Islamic, which he and everyone else knows to be at odds with reality. It makes him seem duplicitous to us and you would have to think Muslim listeners see it as a weak and transparent attempt to appease. ISIS is trying to establish the Caliphate for goodness sake. People like Obama who consider themselves enlightened love to stand in the gray area, but there's no real gray area here.
Bravo!!
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:22 pm to wmr
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ISIL is Islam, being practiced EXACTLY how the religion's founder intended.
Couldnt be further from the truth.
A violent group that practices Islam does not define Islam any more than a violent group practicing Christianity defines Christianity.
It is humans that act on culural or other beliefs that often get associated and blamed on relgion when it is in fact culture that is the source.
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:34 pm to NoNameNeeded
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The Koran is a violent blue print for perpetual strife and atrocious behavior in the name of a dangerous cult pederast named Mohammed.
Are you saying the Koran is the only "bible" with violent passages? Think about what was goin on at the time that the book was written as the context. It was indeed violent. Some groups choose to evolve beyond violence, others choose to retain it was it was back in those days. This is one of the reasons why you see Islam being practiced differently by country/sect/group.
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:40 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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when westboro church makes an arse of itself
Christians criticize and disown Westboro Baptist Church, while the Media tries to portray Westboro as mainstream Christian.
The Muslim community does not denounce Radical Islam, while the media insists that the radicals do not represent Islam.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:43 pm to Jax-Tiger
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The Muslim community does not denounce Radical Islam
This is not true. A bunch of Imams or whatever they are called (Islamic Leaders) in London created video and posted it online to combat ISIS recruiting strategy that its the duty of Muslims to join and fight.
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:45 pm to BobBoucher
denouncing ISIS =/= denouncing radical Islam
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:47 pm to Revelator
Revelator, guess what? You are not a Christian.
I am willing to bet you celebrate Christmas, birthdays, several other pagan events, ,you vote, and glorify the military. That makes you unchristian, per the bible's definition.
How you feeling bro?
I am willing to bet you celebrate Christmas, birthdays, several other pagan events, ,you vote, and glorify the military. That makes you unchristian, per the bible's definition.
How you feeling bro?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:50 pm to EthanL
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Revelator, guess what? You are not a Christian.
ISIL begs to differ with Obama saying they are not Islamic, and I'm sure Rev would beg to differ with you calling him not Christian.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:52 pm to Jax-Tiger
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the Media tries to portray Westboro as mainstream Christian.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:53 pm to EthanL
I'm not a christian. I do find it curious however that the same people who constantly remind everyone of the wide gulf between Islam and it's more radical elements rarely (if ever) bother themselves with the same defense of Christianity...at least on this message board.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:55 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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It really seems like a reasonable statement on its face.
Because it is. No reasonable person who analyses this with logic can feel any differently. The protestations come from those with no responsibility to try to diffuse the situation. They have the luxury to howl and scream to their heart's content.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:56 pm to TrueTiger
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ISIL begs to differ with Obama saying they are not Islamic,
Of course they do, because it hurts their cause. Obama was absolutely correct to make that statement.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:57 pm to NoNameNeeded
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I'm saying that the Christian New Testament is as opposite from the Koran as night is to day.
Yes,
"Love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" is a radical and I mean radical departure from the Koran or OT.
They killed him for being such a radical.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:59 pm to Revelator
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People like Obama who consider themselves enlightened love to stand in the gray area, but there's no real gray area here.
The entire world is gray. There is very little black or white.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:07 pm to NoNameNeeded
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No. The Old Testament and Torah of the Jewish tradition is also violent.
I'm saying that the Christian New Testament is as opposite from the Koran as night is to day.
So the Koran portrays events of both the old and new testaments. So again its up to the individuals how they choose to practice the faith.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:08 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
1. If ISIL is not Islamic, what is it? Mormon?
2. If Obama says they are not Islamic to avoid their recruitment that does not mean Obama's statement was not a lie.
3. Everything that ISIL is doing is covered in the Koran plus the teachings of Said and Qtub.
4. Was Osama Bin Ladin Islamic? Perhaps he was 7th Day Adventist.
5. The idea of disqualifying someone from a religious sect based on the degree of weirdness is arbitrary. There are Christians who handle snakes during the service. They are idiots but they are still Christians.
2. If Obama says they are not Islamic to avoid their recruitment that does not mean Obama's statement was not a lie.
3. Everything that ISIL is doing is covered in the Koran plus the teachings of Said and Qtub.
4. Was Osama Bin Ladin Islamic? Perhaps he was 7th Day Adventist.
5. The idea of disqualifying someone from a religious sect based on the degree of weirdness is arbitrary. There are Christians who handle snakes during the service. They are idiots but they are still Christians.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:09 pm to BobBoucher
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So the Koran portrays events of both the old and new testaments. So again its up to the individuals how they choose to practice the faith.
This makes no sense. Have you ever read the Qur'an ?
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