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re: Obama's advice to Trump: Don't use executive orders too much

Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:40 pm to
President Barack Obama and the Democrats have touted the fact that that he has issued fewer executive orders than almost all of his predecessors.

But he has actually issued a form of executive action known as the presidential memorandum more often than any other president in history.

And like executive orders, presidential memoranda don’t require action by Congress, and they have the same force of law as executive orders.

“The White House and its defenders can say, ‘He can’t be abusing his executive authority. He’s hardly using any orders,” Andrew Rudalevige, a presidential scholar at Bowdoin College, told USA Today. “But if you look at these other vehicles, he has been aggressive in his use of executive power.

In January, he issued a memorandum telling the Treasury Department to develop a pilot program for a new retirement savings account for low-income workers.

In April, an Obama memorandum directed the Department of Labor to collect salary data from federal contractors and subcontractors to determine if they are paying women and minorities fairly.

In June, he instructed the Department of Labor to allow certain borrowers to cap their student loan payments at 10 percent of income.

In September, he used a memorandum to authorize military and other aid to the embattled government of Ukraine.

A controversial recent memorandum directed the administration to overhaul the country’s immigration system, an action that Republicans claim exceeded his authority.

While presidential memoranda and executive orders have the same force of law, there is one significant distinction: Due to an executive order signed by President Kennedy in 1962, an executive order must contain a “citation of authority,” saying what law it is based on.

Presidential memoranda have no such requirement
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:05 pm to
This is the only one of your list that I really have a problem with:
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A controversial recent memorandum directed the administration to overhaul the country’s immigration system, an action that Republicans claim exceeded his authority.

But then, unlike most on here, I had a problem with it when Reagan did practically the same thing.

At least I'm consistent.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112601 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

But it sure blew Zach's post up.

No, it didn't.
quote:

Oh, I get it, you don't even know what the frick Bretton-Woods was.

Yes. But way to avoid the post.
quote:

Weren't you the one who bragged that you didn't need to read History books, because you lived History through your subscription to Reader's Digest?

Nope, I've read tons of history. And taken tons of history courses both undergrad and grad school.

Now, when will you answer the question re: Carter and Nixon Shock? If you refuse just say "I'll pass." No one is going to think the worse of you.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35118 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:11 pm to
So. Are you still going to deny that the prevalence of dissenters you hear are due to the development of social media and giving every Tom dick and Harry a voice that reaches millions in seconds?

Are you saying that there are more people with political opinions today than 50 years ago?

You see, 50 years ago you might hear your families political ideas. Maybe your neighbors. Or a few close friends.

Did you know the political ideas and opinions of the folks 20 miles away? 50? 100? 1000? OF COURSE YOU DIDN'T.

Does that mean that they didn't have political opinions? Nope! Simply means you didn't have a way to access their opinions.


Now fast forward to today where anyone can say anything and it be heard on the other side of the globe in damn near real time.


Social media fave the average person a voice that can be heard. That is why there are "more" dissenters today than 20 years ago.

You simply have a means to hear their opinions you didn't have 50 years ago.


fricking.idiot


Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73479 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

But then, unlike most on here, I had a problem with it when Reagan did practically the same thing.
He use Executive actions to do it?

quote:

At least I'm consistent.
Indeed.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22457 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:13 pm to
quote:


W issued 291 EOs to Obama's 260. Where you crying about it then?


Yeah, he named a lot of libraries.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22391 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:13 pm to
This is like Frank Costanza fussing at Kramer for using his signature "stop short" move.
Posted by North Texas Tiger
Close to Ft Worth TX
Member since Mar 2004
4797 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:19 pm to
frick him
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21966 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:18 pm to
Nope, I've read tons of history. And taken tons of history courses both undergrad and grad school.

The weight of history must be unbearable to you then...

Posted by TigerIT
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2013
438 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:47 pm to
I didn't read this whole thread so I'm not sure if someone finally brought it up, but have you ever heard of an executive memorandum?

WildTchoupitoulas, you can try to talk up your boy BO all you want, but you add the EM's to the EO's and he used more executive action than any other president in history. Do a little research you cuck.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
22977 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:02 pm to
Thats what they meant by "We go high, they go low". It was regarding the number of EOs.

Posted by MichiganTiger
Where Global Warming is Welcomed!
Member since Dec 2004
7794 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:07 pm to
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President Obama has some advice for President-elect Donald Trump: Do as I say, not as I do.


Hey Jackasses...your favorite president (RR) had more than Clinton, Bush, or Obama...and W had more than Obama

Numbers of orders....check out FDR! Holy shite...they should call them FDRs
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
22977 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:17 pm to
Yeah. He was a rate of almost one EO per day for 12 years. Thats insane.

Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73479 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:21 pm to
I brought EMs up he ignored them.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124183 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:59 pm to
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Obama's advice to Trump: Don't use executive orders too much
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20362 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 5:13 pm to
Obama is half fricking white, stop calling him a black man because he isn't.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:47 pm to
quote:

Obama's advice to Trump: Don't use executive orders too much



quote:

The outgoing president, in an interview with NPR, urged his successor to pursue policy changes through Congress and not via executive order.


Would you look at the fricking nerve on this guy? He's got some balls saying this.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71502 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

Obama's Presidency was so bad that even when his party nominated a much more qualified candidate to be his successor, she lost to a WWE Hall of Famer. I'd say Obama is dishing out some sound advice.


Not gonna lie, I laughed.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9423 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:27 pm to
Obama is only a hundred or so short of Reagan. I don't think he will be able to catch up at this point. He'll leave office with fewer EO's than any president since Papa Bush, but he was only a one termer.
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:29 pm to
quote:

Obama is half fricking white, stop calling him a black man because he isn't.


What does that make Trayvon, then? White-Mulatto? Black-Mulatto?
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 8:35 pm
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