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Obamacare will be the largest policy failures in history. Numbers to prove it.

Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:47 pm
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51806 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:47 pm
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If the current state of the health insurance market weren't so tragic, former President Barack Obama's many promises and statements about Obamacare would be laughable.

Obamacare could end up being remembered as one of the greatest policy failures in modern history. Premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed, millions of people have lost their insurance and been forced to purchase a new plan (and sometimes get new healthcare providers as a result), and the policy's greatest "achievement," if you can even call it that, is getting tens of millions of people dependent on government via Medicaid.




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But perhaps most incredible of all is the tremendous collapse of the individual health insurance marketplace. In September 2009, when Obama was championing his proposed health insurance overhaul to Congress, he lamented the lack of "choice and competition" in the health insurance market.

"My guiding principle is, and always has been, that consumers do better when there is choice and competition," Obama said. "That's how the market works. Unfortunately, in 34 states, 75 percent of the insurance market is controlled by five or fewer companies. In Alabama, almost 90 percent is controlled by just one company. And without competition, the price of insurance goes up and quality goes down."




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Nearly eight years later, there's less competition and choice than at any time in recent history. In June, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services released a report estimating as many as 1,300 counties, about 40 percent of all counties, would have only one health insurance provider available in their state Obamacare exchange in 2018, leaving people with, quite literally, no options.


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Since June, the situation has grown even more dire. CMS' latest projections now show the number of counties expected to have only one health insurance carrier in the Obamacare exchange in 2018 is 1,478, an astounding 47 percent of all counties. Compared to 2015, that's a 683 percent increase in the number of counties with only one insurer.


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In just two months, the situation has gone from terrible to nearly unrecoverable, and at this pace, it's likely within the year (maybe before 2017 is over) we'll have a country in which more than half the counties only offer people one insurance option.



And no ATL retard, people that lost their care and had to buy through an exchange doesn't count as a "new insured" person.

Your boys signature accomplishment is an abysmal failure.
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:48 pm to
This is going to trigger the hell out of BamaAtl
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17477 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:49 pm to
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Obamacare will be the largest legalized wealth transfer in history. Numbers to prove it.


fify
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
24656 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:49 pm to
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Obamacare


Was actually a GOP concept. They decided not to present it because it would never work. Senator Obama at the time fell in love with the concept and pushed it through as president.

We'll be stuck paying the bill for years.
Posted by wryder1
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2008
4170 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:51 pm to
It failed as it was intended to. This is where you'll learn who the globalist really are. They'll use this as proof that we need single payer because obviously nothing else works. It was "her turn" to save us.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10301 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:53 pm to
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And no ATL retard, people that lost their care and had to buy through an exchange doesn't count as a "new insured" person.

Your boys signature accomplishment is an abysmal failure.


Most people with Obamacare policies are unable to access their coverage due to prohibitive deductibles and co - payments. The Affordable Care Act was nothing more than a huge transference of wealth. It is amazing that a benefit which was previously provided by employers on a voluntary basis has now been placed under governmental control, forcing certain employers to provide the benefits or be fined, while telling them how the benefits are to be paid, how much they must pay, what is covered and deciding which of their employees lifestyles are to be subsidized by other employees.

In addition we were also being forced to subsidize health insurers through reimbursement corridors and subsidies when they were required to discard actuarial prognostications to assume any all risks with the knowledge that if their profits dropped accordingly the taxpayers would make up the difference. Now the courts have finally reigned in this assault on our constitution by the Obama administration by ruling these subsidies can only be paid when authorized by Congress. Congress has refused to allocate the funding and the carriers have elected to abandon this sinking vessel.

Yes, the " uninsured rate " may have dropped . Much of this is due to the mandate to purchase ( the first time in the history of this country the populace is forced to purchase a product just for existing) and those who would have been eligible for Medicaid even without the Affordable Care Act. Yet, the new insureds really are no better off as they must absorb large deductibles and co-payments to access their coverage. This is prohibitive for many.

When the Democrats were passing the ACA we were told, depending on the audience that there were 30,000,000 to 50,000,000 uninsured people in the country who would benefit from passing the ACA. Lets split it and call it 40 million uninsured. If those numbers were true then there should have been a stampede to sign up for coverage last year and this year. The Health and Human Services claims the number of signups this year is 10.4 million Remember, though we were not told the truth about 2015 signups. It was eventually exposed and finally admitted by the administration that they had lied and the number of signups was actually 6.3 million and not the 8.7 million they touted until they were exposed. There was no confirmation of how many of the current 10.4 million were previously insured and lost their coverage due to the ACA. In reality there may have been only 5 million newly insured. The total insured may have been well below 8 million by the end of last year.

My premiums have increased 64% since 2013 with higher deductibles and co-payments while I am also forced to subsidize the insurance of others. The president claimed premiums would be reduced $2,500 per family by the Affordable Care Act. The president knew this was not true and deliberately lied to the American people to push for the passage of the act.

The Democrats can be proud of themselves. They gave Obama his signature accomplishment and now the Democrats own it. It has already cost them the Congress and it was a significant factor in costing them the Presidency. It would have been better for Congress to have allocated an assigned risk pool of funds to assist those who were shut out of the standard insurance markets by pre-existing conditions instead of this giant exercise in absurdity and lunacy. The Democrats had to resort to unconstitutional deception and bribery of reluctant Congresspersons from Nebraska, Louisiana and Michigan to get the law passed. We were lied to again and again and again by this administration. Jonathan Gruber, one of the plan's major architects confirmed the level of deceit by the Democrats. Hard working tax paying citizens are being forced to subsidize health care for others, meanwhile many have lost their own coverage and are being forced to purchase insurance with higher premiums and higher deductibles and co-payments.

Despite Obama's claim it would reduce premiums an average of $2,500.00 per family this year's true numbers of participants will continue to drop, primarily due to the cost. A recent report stated more and more Obamacare recipients cancelled their policies even after being afforded great leniency by the very liberal rules set by this administration. So we had to totally disrupt health coverage that many were happy with, had to endure a total revision of the healthcare system all for less than 3% of the population of this country. This continues to prove how incompetent the Obama administration was and so ill prepared to govern. This is yet another example of how liberals operate. They will take what they can get at first. Then having gotten their foot in the door they return to press for the rest at a later date in the guise of fairness. Then anyone who objects is waging a war on those beneficiaries, a meme which their media minions is always willing to trumpet. Look no further than this current push for single payer option and the recent movement in California to cover illegal immigrants.

The Democrat Congress and President Obama passed a defective bill and will continue to pay the price for it. The Democrat Congress had to assure Obama got his signature accomplishment. You Democrats now own it lock, stock and barrel.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34911 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:54 pm to
It only "failed" because Hillary lost the Election. OCare was DESIGNED to fail...and then to be *fixed* via a Dem POTUS and GOPe Congress bailing out the Private Insurance Industry and moving the whole enterprise into Single Payer for the sake of compassion and pragmatic efficiency.

Enter Trump. Faux fail becomes real fail!

Far from over. All hinges on whether Trump's Policy ramps up the economy...before his Adversaries take him out.
Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
31019 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:54 pm to
BamaAtl to dispute in 3, 2, 1
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:57 pm to
The worst part of this story is that we had a President willing to sign ANYTHING to get rid of it, and it never made it out of the Senate.

Even with all the governing power, we still are stuck with this bill. Am I the only one who realizes how one sided this endeavor was
Posted by Walkthedawg
Dawg Pound
Member since Oct 2012
11466 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:12 pm to
Well not quite. I could EASILY make the argument that joining the UN was the largest policy failure in history.

Sadly, our history is FILLED with stupid decisions.


Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:16 pm to
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BamaAtl to dispute in 3, 2, 1




Republican sabotage rabble rabble rabble anecdotal evidence rabble rabble rabble people dying in streets literally from a lack of insurance rabble rabble rabble.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18252 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:29 pm to
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My guiding principle is, and always has been, that consumers do better when there is choice and competition," Obama said. "That's how the market works.



Free market doesn't work well with:

Individual mandate
Medicaid expansion
Cover all pre existing conditions
If you like your doctor you can keep him\her lie
If you like your plan you can keep it lie

They knew they were destroying the individual marketplace. No way they were that dumb to think that they could impose the medicaid expansion and expect premiums to fall. They knew younger healthier adults would rather pay a small fee then $400-$500 per month in premiums. Guiding principal my arse. fricking liar in Chief.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:36 pm to
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Republican sabotage rabble rabble rabble anecdotal evidence rabble rabble rabble people dying in streets literally from a lack of insurance rabble rabble rabble.


Remind me again, who controls all three branches of government?

Republicans had 7 years, in the face of promises and guarantees, that they had the secret formula to solving all the problems of the ACA and American healthcare and the public would love it. They would ensure coverage that was more affordable, with lower premiums and lower deductibles, and not let anyone die on the streets. President Trump also reiterated this throughout his campaign. Even going so far as to saying if need be, the government will pay for it.

At this point, put up or shut up.

Ryancare was awful, the Senate bill was just as bad, Trump's promises and bluster have proven empty, total repeal was never a real option, and none of the fringe outline ideas would achieve the promises either.

And yeah, this catastrophic failure of congress and lack of credible leadership by the president is probably going to push the national conversation closer toward a single payer solution then it has since Truman or Johnson. And you all have no one to blame but yourselves if you really don't want that. Because it is you all that voted for these people on the promise of solutions, without checking first to see if the mystery box being sold was just snake oil.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9903 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:40 pm to
Actual bipartisan Senate hearings to discuss fixes to begin September 6 and 7.

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The Senate health committee will hold two hearings early next month on how the nation's individual health insurance marketplaces can be stabilized, as party leaders grasp for a fresh path following the collapse of the Republican effort to repeal and replace much of former President Barack Obama's health care law.


ABC News
Posted by larry289
Holiday Island, AR
Member since Nov 2009
3858 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:49 pm to
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They'll use this as proof that we need single payer because obviously nothing else works. It was "her turn" to save us.

The intended objective!
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140445 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:50 pm to
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how the nation's individual health insurance marketplaces can be stabilized,


What's the conversation about? It's pretty clear what needs to be done to "stabilize" the market.

Just throw enough money at it and it will work wonderfully.

I wish Obama then and the Senate now would just be honest and come to the American people and say this is what we want to do, this is why and this is how much it is going to cost each of you.

Enough with the bullshite. Just tell us how much money you want to take from us and let us decide if we are good with that.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9903 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:54 pm to
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Enough with the bullshite. Just tell us how much money you want to take from us and let us decide if we are good with that.


I agree that an open process is better than the secretive shitshow they tried to pull, not releasing plans until hours before voting, not scoring bills lest their details be publicized, etc.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140445 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:03 pm to
At no time in the past 9 years did any political leader practice honesty with this particular subject.

No one has said what it will cost each tax payer. The only promises were lies.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20360 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:11 pm to
He's feverishly working on his rebuttal right now.
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