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re: Obamacare Starting to Hit Its Stride?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:27 am to LSURussian
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:27 am to LSURussian
quote:AND can't even confirm if that 10% paid...
So, starting with 32 million uninsured persons, the fed govt spent $640 million just for the software to get less than 10% of them to sign up?
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 1:35 pm to BestBanker
quote:FWIW, the 3 million has virtually nothing to do with previously uninsured folks. The enrollment of those previously uninsured is only ~660,000.
Assrob, that 3 million enrolled only equates to a 10% enrollment of the 30 million so-called, uninsured.
Onward. Success!
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:53 pm to asurob1
quote:
sshhhh the narrative here is it is a failure. Get with the program!
Some folks on poliboard are praying hard that it fails. Obamacare is here to stay!
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:56 pm to The Veldt
It will not stand in its current form. It will be changed.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:58 pm to sammyptiger
Other things hitting their stride:
Failure.
Pestilence.
Uganda.
The common Cold.
Herpes.
Lane Kiffin.
That speed trap in Maurice.
Fat chicks.
Courtney Love.
Failure.
Pestilence.
Uganda.
The common Cold.
Herpes.
Lane Kiffin.
That speed trap in Maurice.
Fat chicks.
Courtney Love.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:58 pm to Janky
quote:Any massive legislature that has ever been passed in US congress has been modified/updated at some point. Obamacare is no exception.
It will not stand in its current form. It will be changed
The core of the bill remains the same. Individual mandate stands.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 3:14 pm to The Veldt
quote:This thing is going to stay no doubt, and it will cost trillions by the time this POS delivers a truly substandard product.
Some folks on poliboard are praying hard that it fails. Obamacare is here to stay!
Posted on 1/25/14 at 3:16 pm to The Veldt
quote:Can you name any massive legislation jammed through with as mush horse shite in it on a party line vote?
Any massive legislature that has ever been passed in US congress has been modified/updated at some point. Obamacare is no exception. The core of the bill remains the same. Individual mandate stands.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 3:23 pm to The Veldt
quote:
The core of the bill remains the same. Individual mandate stands.
Sure it does...in theory. We'll see for how long responsible folk paying for irresponsible folk's care...lasts.
Anybody wanna bet that the Congress, Obama, Congressional Staff and anybody with a stake in this pony...don't ride the pony.
God only knows what the good folk will do when this thing kicks in...and kicks their asses.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:00 pm to Jbird
quote:Jammed through?Hardly. Hearings were held. Amendments were included in both houses.
Can you name any massive legislation jammed through with as mush horse shite in it on a party line vote?
I don't agree with the premise of your question.
And cry me a river about party line politics. This is the same thing being carried out by house republicans.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:04 pm to RCDfan1950
quote:
God only knows what the good folk will do when this thing kicks in...and kicks their asses
When will this scary boogy man every appear? We were warned that the country would cease to exist the day the bill passed. We were warned freedoms would be lost the day Obamacare kicked in.
None of that happened... BUT I'll keep waiting for that day to come.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:09 pm to The Veldt
quote:
When will this scary boogy man every appear?
To be Obamacare compliant my monthly bill went from $430 to $1055 a month with slightly higher deductibles. Do I have a "boogey man" or a legitimate concern, in your opinion?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:13 pm to The Veldt
quote:
We were warned freedoms would be lost the day Obamacare kicked in.
Uh, the government straight said I was obligated to consume a specific product the day it kicked in and that I would be fined if I failed to do so.
I'm not sure how you define freedoms in your world but I rather liked not being obligated to purchase something just because I exist. But hey, all for the greater good of the insurance companies right?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:19 pm to Lsupimp
quote:Boogey man was in reference to the scary absurd notions that America was going to somehow disappear.
Do I have a "boogey man" or a legitimate concern, in your opinion?
Firstly, my premiums went up too even though I'm a single male, no pre-existing condition and I don't smoke. So frick you and your moral high horse.
Premiums were going to go up regardless of what kind of reforms that would have been passed that included riskier people being covered.
Your concern is legitimate. Mine too.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:34 pm to asurob1
quote:
sshhhh the narrative here is it is a failure. Get with the program!
Ok so 3 million have obamacare plans. How any of those now have plans that are worse than the ones they had before obamacare - that is higher deductibles and higher premiums? What is the net enrollment - how many have lost their plan because of obamacare? I can't remember the exact number but it is greater then 3 million. How many of the new enrollees are the sick, who are receiving massive subsidies, and how many are healthy young adults who must purchase plans in order to actuality keep the health insurance market from crashing?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:36 pm to The Veldt
quote:
Firstly, my premiums went up too even though I'm a single male, no pre-existing condition and I don't smoke. So frick you and your moral high horse.
Another little boy who gets asked an honest question in a respectful manner and unravels.
Ok son. I understand that you are cheering for a team here and not understanding that I am just challenging you to defend your argument by introducing you to another point of view.
I have four dependents, all healthy. Not a single health issue or medical prescription amongst us.I think Obamacare will cost me an extra 9k a year when all is said and done. For that 9k the only improvement I get is slightly better prescription coverage. It's not about "So frick you and your moral high horse" it's about millions of productive Americans receiving letters, calculating the cost, and realizing that their prospects have just changed for the worse.
Seriously son. Someday you will be a man. Your team will be your family. And your whole life will be basically in the service of others. And you too will stress about the government complicating your life, and diverting your money from your family and their quality of life, towards free loaders with a grievance and a sense of entitlement.
Someday, son... Not today...but someday....
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:39 pm to The Veldt
quote:There has never in the history of the country been another instance in which a President's signature effort was passed along 100% party lines. Never. Not once. So either you haven't the foggiest clue as to WTF you are talking about, or you have a uniquely bizarre definition of the term "jammed".
Jammed through?Hardly.
The choice to jam Obamacare through in a wholly partisan manner was one of the least politically astute decisions any of us have seen in our lifetimes. The fact you not only don't recognize the "jamming", but you also don't recognize the stupidity of it, is interesting.
It is the sole reason the website fiasco is overwhelming -- Congress cannot be approached for amendment. It is the sole reason the role-out of employer mandates with 40 million kicked into Obamacaid looms ominously this fall -- Congress cannot be approached for amendment. It is the reason Obama has has to break the law and unilaterally change the legislation -- Congress cannot be approached for amendment.
I am actually pleased there are some who are still following the Yellowbrick Road. It will yield the post-mandate world just that much more politically shocking.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:44 pm to The Veldt
quote:Yes, but the coverage at that payment level was going to provide something better than Medicaid.
Premiums were going to go up regardless of what kind of reforms that would have been passed that included riskier people being covered.
If you actually got kicked to the Obamacaid Exchanges, and are happy about the quality of the product, you have not yet tried to access care.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 5:10 pm to Lsupimp
quote:My apologies for coming across rudely. I just get aggravated by some people who think just because their premiums went up, then they somehow have a better moral argument against ACA. That's where I was coming from.
Another little boy who gets asked an honest question in a respectful manner and unravels
And on top of that, I pay taxes, I work, I have health insurance but because I support the ACA, some how I'm viewed as a free loader or someone who feels entitled.
I appreciate the lecture about responsibility (not being sarcastic) but I do have loved ones that I know have benefited from this law.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 5:12 pm to The Veldt
Again name one piece of massive legislation jammed through on a party line vote.
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