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Obama team was warned in 2014
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:48 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:48 am
They blew it off.
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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration received multiple warnings from national security officials between 2014 and 2016 that the Kremlin was ramping up its intelligence operations and building disinformation networks it could use to disrupt the U.S. political system, according to more than half a dozen current and former officials.
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As early as 2014, the administration received a report that quoted a well-connected Russian source as saying that the Kremlin was building a disinformation arm that could be used to interfere in Western democracies. The report, according to an official familiar with it, included a quote from the Russian source telling U.S. officials in Moscow, "You have no idea how extensive these networks are in Europe ... and in the U.S., Russia has penetrated media organizations, lobbying firms, political parties, governments and militaries in all of these places."
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Former White House officials, requesting anonymity to discuss intelligence reporting, confirmed that the administration began receiving increased traffic in 2014 about Russian disinformation and covert influence in campaigns, but said they did not recall receiving that specific warning about Russian inroads in the United States.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:55 am to Jbird
Easy to look at all of this in hindsight but I definitely agree they could have done more and should have done more.
And Trump can still do more.
So do you recognize the Russian active measures campaign involving the 2016 election?
And Trump can still do more.
So do you recognize the Russian active measures campaign involving the 2016 election?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:57 am to Decatur
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So do you recognize the Russian active measures campaign involving the 2016 election?
And 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, etc.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:58 am to Jbird
Obama doesn't give two shits about the U.S.
All he ever cared about was advancing his socialist agenda and trying to push the world towards one world government.
All he ever cared about was advancing his socialist agenda and trying to push the world towards one world government.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:58 am to Decatur
quote:Always have Rexcatur all the way back before Teddy Kennedy actively sought their help back to another Dem FDR.
So do you recognize the Russian active measures campaign involving the 2016 election?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:00 am to hashtag
What were the specific active measures taken in each of the elections you just referenced?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:01 am to hashtag
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And 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, etc.
Exactly. What makes this election so special?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:03 am to Decatur
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Easy to look at all of this in hindsight but I definitely agree they could have done more and should have done more. And Trump can still do more.
Negative. Trump should hold back.
Hold back because it's a Leftist Democrat trick: advance the domestic Leftist agenda during the times when a Dem is in the WH. Do nothing on the foreign policy front. Kick that can down the road.
THEN when the GOP has the WH, scream from the rafters about the deplorable state of US foreign affairs and DEMAND that the GOP POTUS fix everything in five minutes, then declare him an ineffective pussy when he fixes it in ten minutes.
This is a political game that the Dems play. Trump shouldn't fall for it. Trump should require the IC to stop the intrigue to unseat the POTUS and get back to doing their jobs.
Trump doesn't need to fix the Russia and North Korea issues today. He can take a prudent and measured approach to these problems that Obama kicked down the road.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:04 am to The Pirate King
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Exactly. What makes this election so special?
In those prior elections, who did Russia hack and put their comms on Wikileaks and Russia linked attribution fronts? Let's start there.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:05 am to The Pirate King
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Using declassified documents, statements by officials, and journalistic accounts, Levin has found evidence of interference by either the United States or the Soviet Union/Russia in 117 elections around the world between 1946 and 2000, or 11.3 percent of the 937 competitive national-level elections held during this period. Eighty-one of those interventions were by the U.S. while 36 were by the USSR/Russia. They happened in every region of the world, though most commonly in Europe and Latin America. The two powers tended to focus on different countries, though Italy was a favorite of both, receiving eight interventions by the U.S. and four by the Soviets.
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Not all these interventions relied on methods as crude as bags of cash, though many did. Others included training locals of the preferred side in campaign techniques, covertly disseminating damaging information or disinformation about the other side, or providing or withdrawing foreign aid to influence the vote. Levin has found that interventions on average correlate with an increase in the vote of the preferred side of 3 percent, enough to swing a close race.
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The U.S. and Russia aren’t the only countries that do this. China has interfered in several Taiwanese elections, for instance, and the late President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela gave support to several preferred candidates throughout Latin America, but Levin said in an email that "from the available evidence that I currently have, the U.S. and the Soviet Union/Russia have been the most frequent performers of partisan electoral interventions since World War II.”
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And obviously, there’s evidence that Russia is still trying to tip the electoral scales around the world as well, not just in the U.S. but in several European countries too. Levin also notes that 2016 would be the third case of meddling by Moscow in a U.S. election: the Soviets intervened against Harry Truman in 1948 and Ronald Reagan in 1984, though both of those presidents won re-election anyway.
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:05 am to Decatur
quote:in 1948?
In those prior elections, who did Russia hack and put their comms on Wikileaks and Russia linked attribution fronts? Let's start there.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:08 am to Decatur
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Historical records are peppered with incidences of Russia-and other nations-attempting to curry favor abroad and advance their own interests by interfering in American politics. This sort of ill-intentioned meddling was especially prevalent during the Cold War in the 1950s and 60s.
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To put the DNC hack in context, the U.S. and Russia have a history of interfering in each other’s political affairs that dates back to the 18th century, when Catherine The Great indirectly helped American colonists win the Revolutionary War. Below, I’ve pinpointed three episodes of U.S.-Russian foreign meddling. In some instances, the implications of foreign interference were minimal; in others, the meddling likely altered the course of history as we know it.
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And yet, if these historical episodes teach us anything, it’s that Russia and the U.S. have a well-established interest in the outcomes of each other’s political elections. “To quote a Russian expression,” as Jennifer Wilson told The Guardian recently, “dirty politics ‘has no nationality’.”
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:09 am to Jbird
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The U.S. and Russia aren’t the only countries that do this. China has interfered in several Taiwanese elections, for instance, and the late President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela gave support to several preferred candidates throughout Latin America, but Levin said in an email that "from the available evidence that I currently have, the U.S. and the Soviet Union/Russia have been the most frequent performers of partisan electoral interventions since World War II.”
Ummmm........... Rexcatur?
Are you outraged at US meddling in foreign elections?
Outraged at Obama meddling in Israeli elections? Outraged at Fedgov meddling in Georgia elections? Let's not be a hypocrite now.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:10 am to The Pirate King
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Exactly. What makes this election so special?
You are lost to the increased surveillance that the Internet age is rapidly providing if you don't see the difference in Trump's election versus every election before this.
The Russians have provided a blueprint for how to influence elections. Expect the 2016 election cycle to be the beginning of more radicalized and false information propagation moving forward. Countries won't need a giant network of spies or access to traditional media to influence elections. As surveillance of everyone and everything becomes easier thanks to the greater proliferation of exponentially cheaper technologies, expect countries wanting to influence another countries politics to flood country servers with false information that the people can't make sense of.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:12 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Are you outraged at US meddling in foreign elections?
Specify. Anything in the last two decades?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:15 am to The Pirate King
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Exactly. What makes this election so special?
From Clinton Watts Congressional Testimony on Russian Active Measures.
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Russia’s Active Measures today work far better than that of their Soviet forefathers. During the Cold War, the KGB had to infiltrate the West, recruit agents and promote communist parties and their propaganda while under watch by Western counterintelligence efforts. Should they be too aggressive, Soviet spies conducting Active Measures amongst U.S. domestic groups could potentially trigger armed conflict or would be detained and deported. Social media provides Russia’s new Active Measures access to U.S. audiences without setting foot in the country, and the Kremlin smartly uses these platforms in seven ways to win Western elections.
First, Russia chooses close democratic contests where a slight nudge can usher in their preferred candidate or desired outcome.
Second, Russia targets specific audiences inside electorates amenable to their messages and resulting influence – in particular alt-right audiences incensed over immigration, refugees and economic hardship.
Third, Russia plans and implements their strategy long before an election allowing sufficient time for cultivating an amenable audience ripe for manipulation.
Fourth, their early entry into electoral debates allows them to test many messages and then reinforce those messages that resonate and bring about a measurable, preferred shift in public opinion.
Fifth, Russia brilliantly uses hacking to compromise adversaries and power their influence messaging – a tactic most countries would not take.
Sixth, their employment of social media automation saturates their intended audience with narratives.that drown out opposing viewpoints.
Finally, Russia plays either side should the contest change – backing an individual candidate or party so long as they support a Kremlin policy position and then turning against the same party should their position shift against Russia.
U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:20 am to Decatur
quote:Why is history dependent on the last two decades?
Specify. Anything in the last two decades?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:22 am to Jbird
Would you expect Obama to do anything other than shite on the working class?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:22 am to CollegeFBRules
quote:All the more reason the tech savvy Obama administration was asleep at the wheel.
You are lost to the increased surveillance that the Internet age is rapidly providing if you don't see the difference in Trump's election versus every election before this.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:23 am to Jbird
Because citing what Catherine the Great did in the 18th century doesn't quite have the same pop.
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