re: NZ Parents refuse vaccinated blood for life-saving surgery on their baby

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The demand should drive that need. If hypothetically 25% of people wanted to make that choice it would be a no brainer to do so.

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Just for COVID vaccinated blood or are we creating vaccine markets where populations can have popular sovereignty over the blood supply? Because you could get some very odd markets that you don't ethically agree with (I need kid blood only! for you Cabalists out there. )

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Just for COVID vaccinated blood or are we creating vaccine markets where populations can have popular sovereignty over the blood supply? Because you could get some very odd markets that you don't ethically agree with (I need kid blood only! for you Cabalists out there. )

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25% is a huge number. To whom do you think these blood banks are serving?

In a perfect world, science and medicine would report on the importance of it and demand would follow. In the world we live in, medical professionals have given away their credibility.

Can a matching unvaxxed family member donate their blood?

No one separates it, and basically no one receiving surgery or in a hospital following trauma/bloodloss is going to remain a pureblood, especially in new zealand. Imagine you get in a nasty car wreck, they give you some O Neg to save your life while you're unconscious. kiss your purebloodedness goodbye. But hey, you'll live.


You'll need a private donor to avoid it and good fricking luck with that in any country with socialized or even semi socialized healthcare.

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Refuse all the care you want as an adult….but when it’s a child involved the hospital will get courts involved to save their life

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So this is different from when hospitals refused to administer Ivermectin to patients even when it was prescribed by a licensed physician? Should it matter if it's a child or adult? They are a human.

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25% is a huge number. To whom do you think these blood banks are serving? In a perfect world, science and medicine would report on the importance of it and demand would follow. In the world we live in, medical professionals have given away their credibility.

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I'm curious to see how this might work out, but I have a feeling it would increase identity-based tension over an issue that really should be more based on efficacy/safety than identity and I don't think it would help the medical community's credibility to deal with the resource conflict issues over offering an option based on theoretical risk.

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As a former Peds nurse I’ve seen

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Nnnnnnnnnnnnobdy gives a shite

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Is there a company who does this?

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Get in touch with your primary care doctor. He will set up the order for you.

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I guess you can test for HIV if someone lies or doesn't know if they have HIV. So it can be refused. But can you test for Mrna shot. So that the blood can be separated.

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Speaking of HIV, I know someone who got vaccinated and boostered and donates blood regularly. She (no pics) went to donate blood a few months ago and, as part of the pre screening, was tested for HIV. Popped positive. She has been married for 25+ years and never had an issue donating blood until then.

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I'm curious to see how this might work out

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No you aren't. Hypothetically, if it was accepted by all that receiving blood donation from vaccinated individuals was harmful it would be screened. More accurately, I should say it SHOULD be screened. I suspect that the opposition to it would exist and resemble exactly this conversation though.

The mechanics of doing it are extremely easy. Vaccination status is readily available. Demanding vaccine proof to enter restaurants and stadiums and later stating that it's just too tough to screen it for blood donations is very obviously a lie. It's a very good example of why people like you aren't trusted.

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I have a feeling it would increase identity-based tension over an issue that really should be more based on efficacy/safety

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Of course it should. The vaccine itself should have been managed based on efficacy/safety. Unfortunately, it wasn't. And many people received recommendations and advice from their own doctor that has turned out to be obviously flawed and based on deception.

There's nobody with the credibility to make that efficacy/safety statement. That's the problem. Unless you have 100% agreement, including from vaccine sceptics that this is a non-issue, people are going to rightfully be hesitant.