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NSIAP: Report to congress: IPCC & alarmist forecasts violate forecasting principles
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:30 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:30 am
science.house.gov
Abstract:
Muh computer models
quote:
Research to date on Forecasting for the Manmade Global Warming Alarm
Testimony to Subcommittee on Energy and Environment
Committee on Science, Space and Technology – March 31, 2011
Professor J. Scott Armstrong, University of Pennsylvania,
with Kesten C. Green, University of South Australia,
and Willie Soon, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Abstract:
quote:
The validity of the manmade global warming alarm requires the support of scientific forecasts of (1) a
substantive long-term rise in global mean temperatures in the absence of regulations, (2) serious net
harmful effects due to global warming, and (3) cost-effective regulations that would produce net
beneficial effects versus alternatives such as doing nothing.
Without scientific forecasts for all three aspects of the alarm, there is no scientific basis to enact
regulations. In effect, it is a three-legged stool. Despite repeated appeals to global warming alarmists, we
have been unable to find scientific forecasts for any of the three legs.
We drew upon scientific (evidence-based) forecasting principles to audit the forecasting
procedures used to forecast global mean temperatures by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) –leg “1” of the stool. This audit found that the procedures violated 81% of the 89 relevant
forecasting principles.
We also did an audit of the forecasting procedures used for two papers that were designed to
support proposed regulation related to protecting polar bears – leg “3” of the stool. On average, these
procedures violated 85% of the 90 relevant principles.
The warming alarmists have not demonstrated the predictive validity of their procedures. Instead,
their argument for predictive validity is based on their claim that nearly all scientists agree with the
forecasts. Such an appeal to “voting” is contrary to the scientific method. It is also incorrect.
We conducted a validation test of the IPCC forecasts based on the assumption that there would be
no interventions. This test found that the errors for IPCC model long-term forecasts (91 to 100 years in
the future) were 12.6 times larger than those from an evidence-based “no change” model.
Based on our analyses, we concluded that the global warming alarm is an anti-scientific political
movement.
We then turned to the “structured analogies” method to forecast the likely outcomes of this
movement. In this ongoing study, we have, to date, identified 26 historical alarmist movements. None of
the forecasts for the analogous alarms proved correct. In the 25 alarms that called for government
intervention, the government impost regulations in 23. None of the 23 interventions was effective and
harm was caused by 20 of them.
Muh computer models
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:40 am to cokebottleag
It's the beginning of the end for the alarmists
The same thing happened with the ozone hole. You don't even hear it discussed today, even thought the hole is as large as it ever ways. The protocols we agreed to haven't changed it, any!
This report, and the other peer-reviewed study showing that there would be no warming if the data hadn't been adjusted are knockout blows. And we already had the hacked emails showing a pattern of intentional deception by the alarmists
The same thing happened with the ozone hole. You don't even hear it discussed today, even thought the hole is as large as it ever ways. The protocols we agreed to haven't changed it, any!
This report, and the other peer-reviewed study showing that there would be no warming if the data hadn't been adjusted are knockout blows. And we already had the hacked emails showing a pattern of intentional deception by the alarmists
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:50 am to League Champs
Honestly , the patriots have fought off the wealth distribution long enough for technology to solve the problem if there ever was one. Electric cars, cleaner electricity production, etc. I wish we could just stop talking about it.
Also, if the science denying left would allow nukes to be built we could just move on to more important things.
Also, if the science denying left would allow nukes to be built we could just move on to more important things.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:57 am to cokebottleag
quote:
and Willie Soon, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
LOL, known paid shill for big oil
Kesten Green, page of peer review anti climate change papers submitted to journals..
LINK
gtfo
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:14 am to Cruiserhog
When you can't find issues with the data, attack the source.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:23 am to cokebottleag
It's his SOP. See basically every post he has.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:31 am to cokebottleag
quote:I think attacking the source is legitimate when the source isn't qualified to evaluate the science it's criticizing. Armstrong is a professor of marketing. Green is a professor of business management. The entire criticism is based on equivocation between the term "forecasting" as it's used in their field and as it's used in the physical sciences, where models are dealing with processes that obey physical laws instead of blind time-series data. So it doesn't particularly surprise or scandalize me that the choices made by the climate modelers didn't necessarily align with the "140 principles of good forecasting" (coincidentally chosen by... the same authors, in their book).
When you can't find issues with the data, attack the source.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:34 am to Iosh
I don't see where they questioned the climate measurements or basic science. They questioned the scientific principles of the computer models.
Models which originally came from the business world and were adapted to the physical sciences. You're reaching if you're trying to say statistics principles in one field are not applicable to another. They absolutely are.
Models which originally came from the business world and were adapted to the physical sciences. You're reaching if you're trying to say statistics principles in one field are not applicable to another. They absolutely are.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:36 am to cokebottleag
quote:GCMs did not "originally come from the business world." Unless you think the Navier-Stokes equations are also the key to beating the stock market.
Models which originally came from the business world and were adapted to the physical sciences.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:41 am to cokebottleag
One of the sources in this report is Whatsupwiththat.com
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:41 am to Iosh
I'd say the failure of the early computer forecasts on the stock market are a pretty good point in favor of my argument.
And again, all you did was swoop in to attack the sources. No points as to how computer forecasting is untranslatable from economics to physical science.
And again, all you did was swoop in to attack the sources. No points as to how computer forecasting is untranslatable from economics to physical science.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:41 am to cokebottleag
quote:
No points as to how computer forecasting is untranslatable from economics to physical science.
quote:
The entire criticism is based on equivocation between the term "forecasting" as it's used in their field and as it's used in the physical sciences, where models are dealing with processes that obey physical laws instead of blind time-series data.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:28 pm to Iosh
quote:
I think attacking the source is legitimate when the source isn't qualified to evaluate the science it's criticizing
except when the source is a MSM outlet that has 'sauces' about Trump committing treason, amirite?
There's more fire in the alarmists methods, than anything Russian related
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:52 pm to cokebottleag
quote:
When you can't find issues with the data, attack the source
Sounds about right. See most threads about climate change where the GOPers condemn climate scientists because they are climate scientists.
There's been a recent string of PhDs in unrelated fields writing papers about climate change.. wonder who is signing off on those checks
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 12:55 pm
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