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Now that TrumpCare is Dead, Stop Lying

Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21895 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:56 pm
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For Trump, this has never been about improving our health-care system. Trump, who visibly had no idea how the ACA works or what was in the various GOP replacements, and who openly said he would sign whatever Republicans put in front of him, just wanted to boast of a “win” while triumphantly using Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement as his own personal toilet paper roll.


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But this outcome, ironically, was good news not just for the United States, but also for untold numbers of Trump’s own voters, the low-income and aging whites who also benefited from the ACA’s historic coverage expansion. Trump’s voters were spared the destructive impact of his peculiar combination of ignorance, megalomania and sheer indifference to the fate of millions.


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If there is one thing I hope happens now, it’s that Trump and Republicans can shape their current response to the ACA around an acceptance of an idea that many of them have refused to acknowledge: that the ACA has effected positive change in the lives of millions, making American life more humane and just. The Medicaid expansion has expanded coverage to millions of poor people, many of whom no doubt never had coverage in their lives, and many deep in the heart of Trump country. The exchanges, for all their problems, have helped extend coverage to millions more, particularly people with preexisting conditions, who can now get robust insurance packages, and lower-income people who can now get coverage with the help of subsidies.


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many Republicans have also refused for years to tell the truth about the real-world impact of the law, or about what their own replacements for it would actually do. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan kept lying right up until the end, claiming the ACA is merely “collapsing and hurting American families.” Throughout, Republicans claimed endlessly that their solutions would not cut Medicaid and would leave nobody worse off, and that if millions were left uninsured, it would be by choice under the new reign of freedom they would usher in. Trump, too, hopes to sabotage the ACA under the guise of the lie that it is collapsing of its own accord.


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My point is not that Republicans should stop making arguments against the ACA or stop trying to move our health-care system in a conservative direction. Indeed, a genuinely bipartisan approach to reforming our health-care system could end up giving Republicans some deregulatory measures in exchange for GOP help in shoring up the exchanges and a GOP acceptance of the ACA’s coverage expansion. Some Republican health wonks are now calling on their party to adopt a similar approach. But for this to happen, we would all have to proceed from shared agreement that this coverage expansion — one fostered by government — has actually helped enormous numbers of people, even if it isn’t in the manner that Republicans had hoped.


Some of you don't know any better - your only interaction with healthcare is when you get ill, and you've been lucky to not be seriously ill nor do you know anyone who is.

Others? You know better, and are purposefully lying to achieve your political ends. It didn't work this time, and hopefully it will continue to fail.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:57 pm to
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LINK
Okay.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94516 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:57 pm to
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Stop Lying


You first. Didn't read the rest. Down voted.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78079 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:57 pm to
you really are obsessed with obamacare
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37525 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:58 pm to
I can't wait for the day when your Obamacare is taken away.
Posted by Bunyan
He/Him
Member since Oct 2016
20828 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:58 pm to
I don't think forced coverage or triple digit premium increases is "help."
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 4:59 pm
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:58 pm to
Oh look, it is pablum from Greg Sargent.

You don't think people know who he is?

Why don't you post more Kaiser bullshite?
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57682 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:59 pm to
Wapo
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22380 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:59 pm to
Did not read your leftist propaganda but I did downvote your arse.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48313 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:59 pm to
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you really are obsessed with obamacare


He is also a confirmation bias All-star.

The ACA is one of the worst pieces of domestic legislation in history
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69301 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:59 pm to
What a hack piece
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105409 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:00 pm to
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Stop Lying


You first. Didn't read the rest. Down voted.




This was my exact thought. OP is a habitual liar.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57682 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:01 pm to
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What a hack piece


Would you expect anything different from BamaRexWant?
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:01 pm to
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forced coverage or triple digit premium increase


Reality...

Anti-freedom.
Anti-better.

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21895 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:02 pm to
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What a hack piece


Wait for it, in this thread either on this page or in the next few, someone will swear that the ACA is dying on its own.

They either don't know what they're talking about, or are lying. You decide which.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
Member since Sep 2009
14814 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:02 pm to
Sweet WaPo opinion piece

Says stop lying... posts from biggest liars in the game

Says stop lying... been caught lying multiple times

You argument of authority holds no weight when your favorite piece of legislation is collapsing and you keep cheering it on... insurers are pulling out and rates are skyrocketing because it's not a practical solution
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:03 pm to
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The ACA is one of the worst pieces of domestic legislation in history
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:03 pm to
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The ACA is one of the worst pieces of domestic legislation in history


It is difficult to argue against this...even in slavery days, the federal government didn't put this crap out...

The income tax amendment and fed res act are up there
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 5:04 pm
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21895 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:04 pm to
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The ACA is one of the worst pieces of domestic legislation in history


It really, really isn't.

Unless you consider the lowest uninsured rate in our history a bad outcome.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48918 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 5:06 pm to
Muh hillary
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