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re: Nice write up in today's Advocate on one of the St George City organizers
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:01 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:01 pm to LSURussian
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You're replies are so frustrating. It's like you don't read the thread or you forget what's already been stated in the thread and your replies are made in a complete vacuum. I specifically said earlier in this thread that I wished he would put the same amount of effort in either running for school board or showing up at school board meetings and speaking up as he has in the breakaway effort. If he did that, he seems to have the dynamic personality which might provoke other people to get involved in the system and make the entire school system better. He is the type of person who can be a difference maker and I admire that. If you continue to reply with the same type of obtuse statements as above, I'm just going to assume you only intend to argue for argument sake and I will ignore your posts. If I don't reply to one of your future posts, don't assume I didn't read it. Just assume I'm ignoring it.
It only frustrates you because you keep trying to frame the debate to suit your own agenda.
Serving on the school board or even going to speak out a School Board meeting is not a prerequisite to work at a school, to volunteer at a school, or to be a leader in the education community. Many serve within the school system who couldn't find the School Board office if they had to.
Maybe you once ran or even served on the school board. I haven't, but that doesn't take away my right to speak out on school issues and I suspect Norman Browning might feel the same way.
Browning's efforts are appreciated by me, and I don't care if he ever runs for the School Board or if he ever goes to a School Board meeting. It doesn't matter.
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:02 pm to dragginass
quote:I f*cking hope not!!!!
Contracts are issued in this manner all the time.
Are you saying two wrongs make a right?? Is that how you rationalize corruption is okay in your mind?
quote:And at least two of those "volunteers" (neither of whom even live in the proposed St George City area) are hoping to make a financial windfall out of the creation of a new city and school system.
What is relevant is that the St.George movement to incorporate is comepletely led by VOLUNTEERS.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:02 pm to doubleb
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:08 pm to LSURussian
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Are you saying two wrongs make a right?? Is that how you rationalize corruption is okay in your mind?
I have repeatedly said I would withold judgement until there is more information. I have further stated that so long as they are VOLUNTEERS, it really doesn't matter. If they seek a contract with the new city, or seek office, than further investigation would be warranted.
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And at least two of those "volunteers" (neither of whom even live in the proposed St George City area) are hoping to make a financial windfall out of the creation of a new city and school system.
So are you saying you are against the incorporation because you think that someday, these men might seek profit from the area? It seems silly to dismiss the premise of an argument and the will of the people because you are assuming that corruption could possibly follow the incorporation.
I do not accept corruption in any way,shape,or form. I do know that it is a constant battle that every community faces, and I see no reason that St.George would be exempt from having to fight off those same sorts of people.
I will not, however, let my fear of corrupt individuals change my course of action, or change my inherent belief that the St.George incorporation is the right thing to do.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:12 pm to dragginass
quote:It seems silly to me that it's pretty clear greed and/or corruption may be the driving force behind the efforts of at least two of the organizers but you just dismiss it as being irrelevant as long as they succeed in getting a new city established.
It seems silly to dismiss the premise of an argument and the will of the people because you are assuming that corruption could possibly follow the incorporation.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:19 pm to LSURussian
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It seems silly to me that it's pretty clear greed and/or corruption may be the driving force behind the efforts of at least two of the organizers but you just dismiss it as being irrelevant as long as they succeed in getting a new city established.
Clear based on what FACTS?
After the signatures are collected, the residents of St.George will vote whether to approve the new city or not. It awards no contracts, elects no officials, and creates no revenue. It merely establishes the city. What happens from there is where you concerns regarding corruption could be warranted. You being against the incorporation effort out of a fear of corruption makes zero sense, considering what city you and I live in.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:31 pm to LSURussian
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It seems silly to me that it's pretty clear greed and/or corruption may be the driving force behind the efforts of at least two of the organizers
are you speaking of the Hoffpauir guy that does city planning?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:38 pm to LSUWrangler
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are you speaking of the Hoffpauir guy that does city planning?
No. Who's he? I'm not familiar with him.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:45 pm to dragginass
You keep repeatedly referring to White and Rainey as VOLUNTEERS (you keep capitalizing the word so I did, too) as if they are a modern Snow White, pure of heart and soul.
I've pointed out it's highly likely both of them have financial incentives causing them to help create a new city and school district.
As far as your long-winded paragraph about the contract awarding process only AFTER a city is established, you're naive if you think White and Rainey don't believe their involvement with establishing the new city will help them get a head start on getting any contracts with the new city or they won't call in some chits when the time comes for taxpayers money to start being doled out by the new city and school system.
Remember, neither Rainey nor White even live in St George.
I've pointed out it's highly likely both of them have financial incentives causing them to help create a new city and school district.
As far as your long-winded paragraph about the contract awarding process only AFTER a city is established, you're naive if you think White and Rainey don't believe their involvement with establishing the new city will help them get a head start on getting any contracts with the new city or they won't call in some chits when the time comes for taxpayers money to start being doled out by the new city and school system.
Remember, neither Rainey nor White even live in St George.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:51 pm to LSURussian
Again, facts?
You are speaking out against the movement on the assumption that something, which you can't identify, will be corrupt. This is your argument, not mine. You are trying to place the burden of proof on me by calling me naive, but you are the one who needs to back up what you are saying.
FACT: All supporters of the St.George movement remain unpaid volunteers. If you can PROVE otherwise then go ahead, I'm waiting.
You are speaking out against the movement on the assumption that something, which you can't identify, will be corrupt. This is your argument, not mine. You are trying to place the burden of proof on me by calling me naive, but you are the one who needs to back up what you are saying.
FACT: All supporters of the St.George movement remain unpaid volunteers. If you can PROVE otherwise then go ahead, I'm waiting.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:59 pm to dragginass
I've stated facts about White and Rainey multiple times.
If you think either one of them is working to create a new city and school system out of altruistic passion, you're a fool.
If you think either one of them is working to create a new city and school system out of altruistic passion, you're a fool.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:02 pm to LSURussian
Nothing you have stated about White or Rainey has anything to do with St.George.
You can call me whatever cowardly names you want, but you still haven't answered this fools question.
FACT: All supporters of the St.George movement remain unpaid volunteers. If you can PROVE otherwise then go ahead, I'm waiting.
You can call me whatever cowardly names you want, but you still haven't answered this fools question.
FACT: All supporters of the St.George movement remain unpaid volunteers. If you can PROVE otherwise then go ahead, I'm waiting.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:12 pm to dragginass
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Nothing you have stated about White or Rainey has anything to do with St.George.
You can call me whatever cowardly names you want, but you still haven't answered this fools question.
FACT: All supporters of the St.George movement remain unpaid volunteers. If you can PROVE otherwise then go ahead, I'm waiting
How about I turn it around...
FACT: There are paid supporters of the St. George movement. If you can PROVE otherwise then go ahead, I'm waiting.
The problem is the st. george movement didn't file as a political group so there are no disclosures. instead they filed as a corporation. So no one can PROVE anything about the payments or lack thereof.
I tend to believe that there are not any paid employees. I also believe that White (and Rainey through him) are going to make some money off this. I also really don't care.
I prefer not to look at the possible motivations of people, but rather the policy implications of an issue. An exception would be if I could not trust someone to follow through on an issue/implement a policy correctly.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:19 pm to BigJim
There has to be revenue coming in, for there to be payments going out. As of today, there is no city of St.George. From that we can conclude that there is no payments outgoing if there is no account to pay from!
Russian keeps harping on what he assumes will happen, which has zero bearing on what is ACTUALLY happening. His concerns may be warranted someday, but it doesn't change the validity of the movement to incorporate.
Russian keeps harping on what he assumes will happen, which has zero bearing on what is ACTUALLY happening. His concerns may be warranted someday, but it doesn't change the validity of the movement to incorporate.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:24 pm to dragginass
The truth is some people are opportunistic, but if we never voted for anything simply because someone might profit over it then we'd never have the USA.
I suspect White has a political agenda. I don't know Rainey, but he could be after future business. But so what?
St. George should stand on its own merits and be judged accordingly. Worrying their might be public corruption before St. George even incorporates is really ridiculous. There is plenty of public corruption in La. already.
Stopping St. George because a politician and a business man are helping the organizers is ridiculous. Aren't politicians and business people helping the St. George opposition?
I suspect White has a political agenda. I don't know Rainey, but he could be after future business. But so what?
St. George should stand on its own merits and be judged accordingly. Worrying their might be public corruption before St. George even incorporates is really ridiculous. There is plenty of public corruption in La. already.
Stopping St. George because a politician and a business man are helping the organizers is ridiculous. Aren't politicians and business people helping the St. George opposition?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:31 pm to dragginass
quote:Are you trying to claim the organizing efforts have not generated any money? What about the $18,000+ they claimed to raise one evening at their last fund raiser? And what about the money that has gone into their little collection boxes every time they set up a signature tent at a shopping center?
There has to be revenue coming in, for there to be payments going out. As of today, there is no city of St.George.
I personally don't think that little amount of money is what they are after. They are both working for a much bigger payoff later.
quote:No, I've stated that both Rainey and White have a questionable history when it comes to integrity in dealing with taxpayers money. You don't seem to care about that.
Russian keeps harping on what he assumes will happen,
You seem to believe that in spite of their underhanded method of getting Rainey a state contract (for which he had no experience in performing), there is no reason to think there is any possibility they might be looking to feather their nest even more with the taxpayers of St George.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:38 pm to LSURussian
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You seem to believe that in spite of their underhanded method of getting Rainey a state contract (for which he had no experience in performing), there is no reason to think there is any possibility they might be looking to feather their nest even more with the taxpayers of St George.
According to you and others he is already feathering his nest.
Should we stop St. George because the guy MIGHT stick it to us too???
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:41 pm to doubleb
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:42 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Are you trying to claim the organizing efforts have not generated any money? What about the $18,000+ they claimed to raise one evening at their last fund raiser? And what about the money that has gone into their little collection boxes every time they set up a signature tent at a shopping center?
The fundraiser you are referring to was several weeks ago. The movement started MONTHS ago. Thousands have been spent on signs, brochures, web development etc. Now for the first time we have a small bank to kick things up a notch:)
quote:
You seem to believe that in spite of their underhanded method of getting Rainey a state contract (for which he had no experience in performing), there is no reason to think there is any possibility they might be looking to feather their nest even more with the taxpayers of St George.
Actually, no. What I stated was:
"What happens from there is where you concerns regarding corruption could be warranted. You being against the incorporation effort out of a fear of corruption makes zero sense, "
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:47 pm to dragginass
Go ahead and continue to believe everything Rainey and White tell you.
I'm almost willing to hope that the SG effort succeeds just to see you get it in the arse when they tell you taxes have to be increased significantly or they win multi-million dollar contracts screwing the citizens of St George.
I'm usually not one to say I told you so, but trust me, I'll be on this board everyday telling you and other SG sheeple I told you so.
I'm almost willing to hope that the SG effort succeeds just to see you get it in the arse when they tell you taxes have to be increased significantly or they win multi-million dollar contracts screwing the citizens of St George.
I'm usually not one to say I told you so, but trust me, I'll be on this board everyday telling you and other SG sheeple I told you so.
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