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re: NH (GOP) former AG says claims of NH voter fraud "not connected to reality"

Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:23 pm to
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:23 pm to
Oh really

So you mean someone responsible for stopping voter fraud and who isn't currently in office says "Well no way!"

fricking CYA bullshite
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:24 pm to
But Miller said that if you ask anyone in NH, they would claim there is voter fraud...
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49038 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:24 pm to
Melt bitch melt
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21944 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:33 pm to
quote:

So, Trump still legitimately won the EC by a huge margin?


He legitimately won the EC by an historically small margin, and legitimately lost the popular vote by an historically large margin.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21944 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:33 pm to
quote:

If you think voter fraud is not happening,then you will fall for just about anything.


Why do you believe that voter fraud is happening on such a scale that we should disenfranchise people to fix it?
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164354 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

He legitimately won the EC by an historically small margin

There's been 12 elections decided by a closer electoral vote margin.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69378 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:37 pm to
quote:

and legitimately lost the popular vote by an historically large margin.
Trump's popular vote loss (as a % since that's the only intellectually honest way to do it) was smaller than the following elections since 1960:

2012
2008
2004
1996
1992
1988
1984
1980
same as 1976
1972
1964
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21944 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

Trump's popular vote loss (as a % since that's the only intellectually honest way to do it)


I prefer the honest way of using raw numbers, since it makes my argument stronger. And popular vote loss FOR A WINNER OF THE EC, so none of those would apply.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69378 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

the honest way of using raw numbers,
This is horse crap and you know it.

You can't compare various times in history (you said historical) and not adjust for population.

Using your logic, trump had one of the largest wins in history because only two other people in America history (Obama and HRC) got more raw votes than he did.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:41 pm to
No shite?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21944 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

You can't compare various times in history (you said historical) and not adjust for population.


You can if you're looking at EC-winner PV-loser, and we are.

quote:

Using your logic, trump had one of the largest wins in history because only two other people in America history (Obama and HRC) got more raw votes than he did.


Technically that makes him the biggest loser, since HRC got more votes than him in the same election.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:58 pm to
quote:

Miller said that if you ask anyone in NH, they would claim there is voter fraud...


yep.

revisionist history is what we called it when the Soviets did it.

Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32123 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:09 pm to
quote:

He legitimately won the EC by an historically small margin


False.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:11 pm to
No matter how hard Trump tries, he will not take the popular vote. Yes he is president and won the election. Great for him. But the fact that he lost the popular vote burns him deeply. It's comical to watch is futile attempts.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 8:12 pm
Posted by Vino24
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Mar 2016
1596 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

But the fact that he lost the popular vote burns him deeply.


It hurts for you too, we know. #notyourpresident
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
20917 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:12 pm to
quote:

Why do you believe that voter fraud is happening on such a scale that we should disenfranchise people to fix it?
if there's just one fraudulent vote, that's one too many. We should do whatever it takes to fix the system.
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