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National Conversation
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:39 am
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:39 am
I have seen a lot of remarks about a national conversation on the subject of police and black shootings. Eric Reid and Derrius Guice have commented on the subject from lsu so yes let's converse. In a ten year period 2004 to 2013 548 police were feloniously killed. Blacks accounted for 44 percent of the murders and a combination of whites, Hispanic and Arabic descended people killed 53 percent. Blacks murdered around four times their number by percent of their population. If the stats had broken out the Hispanic, white, Arab, etc the black murder rate would be higher than any other total even though they are less in numbers by population than all but the Arab sample. The conversation now moves to the number of blacks killed by police. Take into consideration that these are total and don't differentiate between good and bad shoots. In the year 2016 police killed 963 people. 466 were white and 233 black. Blacks were 24 percent of the people killed or two times their representative population. To gain more insight we will also look at non police involved murder rates 2014. DOJ stats show that blacks and Hispanics account for just shy of 73 percent of all murder homicides. With this information in hand we can ask questions. Are black people killed by police at a higher number than percentage of population. Yes. Do we know how many are justified? No. Do blacks kill police at higher number than percentage of population? Yes four times more. Not involving police killed do blacks kill at greater numbers. Yes, combined with Hispanics in the DOJ stats 73 percent of all murders total. These are the numbers and will let you make up your mind as to your personal conclusion. I have more information if needed by anyone.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 5:43 am
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:58 am to GulfstreamTiger
They don't want a conversation on this topic. They want to pretend there's an epidemic of police murdering black people.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:00 am to thebigmuffaletta
Dude, do you really expect a football player to do some research and actually read something?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:03 am to GulfstreamTiger
Ok, so what needs to be done to prevent the inequalities you've (along with several others) pointed out?
Now, on to racial inequality, which I think you're trying to deny. First of all, I'll agree that the attack on our police state is not completely justified. But, living in the South, I've personally witnessed unjust profiling. Along those lines, I've also witnessed black fear of police. Fear turns into anger before long. Then, you get what we have today. Again, it's not fully justified, but to give any social movement legs to walk, it'll run.
Back to being in the South and uneducated teamed with underpaid police officers. Throw in many misinterpretations and you get hate.
There's a middle ground that we can all stand on if we grow to empathize. That is key to getting through this. Not to invalidate, as you are doing.
Now, on to racial inequality, which I think you're trying to deny. First of all, I'll agree that the attack on our police state is not completely justified. But, living in the South, I've personally witnessed unjust profiling. Along those lines, I've also witnessed black fear of police. Fear turns into anger before long. Then, you get what we have today. Again, it's not fully justified, but to give any social movement legs to walk, it'll run.
Back to being in the South and uneducated teamed with underpaid police officers. Throw in many misinterpretations and you get hate.
There's a middle ground that we can all stand on if we grow to empathize. That is key to getting through this. Not to invalidate, as you are doing.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:03 am to The Maj
But Michael Brown
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:59 am to GulfstreamTiger
Blacks are involved in crime more than their population percentage would suggest. This fact causes the police to frequently come into contact with blacks, so the black community feels that the police are targeting them unfairly.
The root cause is excessive criminal involvement by one demographic. This is the problem that must be addressed in order to improve the situation. If you don't recognize the problem you cannot fix it
MAGA
The root cause is excessive criminal involvement by one demographic. This is the problem that must be addressed in order to improve the situation. If you don't recognize the problem you cannot fix it
MAGA
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:01 am to GulfstreamTiger
The idea that they want a national conversation is not true, unless you consider a one-sided discussion to be a national conversation.
This is the case for nearly every progressive issue.
It isn't a "conversation" that they want. It is a one way discussion.
This is the case for nearly every progressive issue.
It isn't a "conversation" that they want. It is a one way discussion.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:14 am to mofungoo
The problem lies where we make this a black va white thing, or even a race thing in general.
This is squarely a socioeconomic issue. You don't see many, if at all, well to do white, black, Hispanic, (name your race) involved in police brutality, police shooting, or really any other problems.
The problem is generational poverty and hood lifestyle. Housing projects, unfortunately have a higher percentage of blacks (that's the real problem), breed a lifestyle that is confrontational and criminal in nature.
If we really want to start a conversation, you have to start with the real premise of the problem, which is not and shouldn't be race at this point.
This is squarely a socioeconomic issue. You don't see many, if at all, well to do white, black, Hispanic, (name your race) involved in police brutality, police shooting, or really any other problems.
The problem is generational poverty and hood lifestyle. Housing projects, unfortunately have a higher percentage of blacks (that's the real problem), breed a lifestyle that is confrontational and criminal in nature.
If we really want to start a conversation, you have to start with the real premise of the problem, which is not and shouldn't be race at this point.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:50 pm to CatahoulaCur
The missed point is that there is not one geographic hot spot where these situations occur. It's universal and the race of the officer doing the shooting varies. As far as the socioeconomic argument goes, black children adopted into upper middle class white families still lag behind education wise and are represented in the DOJ numbers with little change. Obama administration did several studies on crime looking for unfair sentences, arrests, and targeted harassment. They probably did not like what the report said because systemic racism in courts was not to be found. Black judges actually sentenced blacks more harshly on many examples. My only personal opinion I will offer is that you can't talk about cops killing blacks without talking about the reciprocal. And those numbers shocked me when first viewed.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:59 pm to CatahoulaCur
quote:
The problem is generational poverty and hood lifestyle. Housing projects, unfortunately have a higher percentage of blacks (that's the real problem), breed a lifestyle that is confrontational and criminal in nature.
It's an environment of "survival of the fittest."
Numbers don't lie. The elephant that is always in the room is the confrontation of those numbers. If "leaders" in the black community would actually address this issue and stop pointing the finger at everyone else, we would see some progress.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:02 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:
They don't want a conversation on this topic. They want to pretend there's an epidemic of police murdering black people.
It's Saul Alinsky liberal progressive tactics. It has nothing to do with reality or anything other than creating crisis situations in order to advance the liberal progressive agenda.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:03 pm to GurleyGirl
quote:
It's Saul Alinsky liberal progressive tactics. It has nothing to do with reality or anything other than creating crisis situations in order to advance the liberal progressive agenda.
"It's just e-mo-tion taking me over....."
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:03 pm to GulfstreamTiger
No one cares that Alton Sterling was a convicted felon with an illegal pistol that WENT OFF wrestling a cop resisting arrest either.
They "murdered" him
They "murdered" him
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:10 pm to GulfstreamTiger
I just demand honesty in life. I want the black community and their white liberal masters to admit that black lives only matter when the killer is white.
Blacks killing blacks = OK.
Whites killing blacks = Not OK.
Just admit it.
Blacks killing blacks = OK.
Whites killing blacks = Not OK.
Just admit it.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:47 pm to bamagreycoat
There is a stated fallacy that people want to see black people fail. I reject that personally and know that it is better for me and America to have all people doing well. I would hope most feel the same.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:53 pm to GulfstreamTiger
I agree with you 100% on that. I desperately want working class blacks and whites to unite and finally realize that the establishments of both parties are our collective enemies. They both work overtime to divide and conquer both of us. Nothing scares the elites more than a united working class of blacks and whites.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:54 pm to GulfstreamTiger
Pray tell, what exactly is a "national conversation?" It sounds like a couple of buzz words people use to make them feel like they are doing something.
I have a feeling that the idea of a national conversation to the left is something along the lines of "Shut up and just do what we say."
I have a feeling that the idea of a national conversation to the left is something along the lines of "Shut up and just do what we say."
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:04 pm to CatahoulaCur
quote:
The problem lies where we make this a black va white thing, or even a race thing in general. This is squarely a socioeconomic issue.
Wrong. In every income category blacks commit more crime than whites. And it ain't close.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:27 pm to Zach
You are correct here. I had stated previously that even when adopted by upper class whites blacks lag both in education scores and are still represented in the same numbers in crime statistics.
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