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re: Muslim religious leaders refuse to say prayers for London attackers
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:36 am to ClientNumber9
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:36 am to ClientNumber9
quote:
Agreed. Every now and again, a true exchange of nuanced ideas does take place here
It happens.
What I've started to learn on this board is to simply not waste any time with the people whose primary goal is response count.
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:41 am to asurob1
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First you guys bitch that the Muslim religious leaders don't speak out.
If they and all Islamic leaders were serious/sincere about reforming their ideology, we wouldn't be having ongoing Muslim terrorism in the first place. This is not unlike the millions of Muslims who aren't actively involved in terrorism but are cheering on the sidelines hoping that Sharia Law will be implemented throughout the world. The problem is Islam itself. Islam is basically a doctrine of world domination via jihad and deceiving infidels is just one aspect of their modus operandi.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:43 am to ballscaster
quote:. Creepy, man. I wasn't even involved in this thread.
BALLBONDS25
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:43 am to BBONDS25
quote:Trolls gonna troll
Creepy, man. I wasn't even involved in this thread.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:09 am to MrCarton
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When they prevent an attack by outing someone in their community then I'll applaud
So your applause is dependent on the governments actually doing something with the information that has been provided? That seems stupid. It also seems stupid that you think Muslims aren't preventing attacks. They most certainly are, in fact, Muslims are giving their lives every day to fight Islamic Extremists. In one month, about 4000 Muslims gave their lives fighting these asshats. That's basically the equivalent to a 9-11 attack. In fact, Muslims fighting terrorism have given the equivalent of approximately 100 (one-hundred) 9-11 attacks in deaths fighting terrorism. The VAST majority of people fighting terrorism are in fact Muslims. They do this in spite of the fact that the US and Western coalition holds a significant amount of responsibility for the existence of these terrorists to begin with.
It is rare on this board that truth is brought forth above the propaganda.
How do I know it's truth? Because the board has completely ignored it.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:12 am to MrCarton
quote:
So your applause is dependent on the governments actually doing something with the information that has been provided? That seems stupid. It also seems stupid that you think Muslims aren't preventing attacks. They most certainly are, in fact, Muslims are giving their lives every day to fight Islamic Extremists. In one month, about 4000 Muslims gave their lives fighting these asshats. That's basically the equivalent to a 9-11 attack. In fact, Muslims fighting terrorism have given the equivalent of approximately 100 (one-hundred) 9-11 attacks in deaths fighting terrorism. The VAST majority of people fighting terrorism are in fact Muslims. They do this in spite of the fact that the US and Western coalition holds a significant amount of responsibility for the existence of these terrorists to begin with.
Boom.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:14 am to LSUTANGERINE
Just a ploy to convince stupid people that they dont support them. Lying killing breaking all of their religious rules is ok if it is done to f with non-devil worshipers.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:17 am to MrCarton
quote:
So your applause is dependent on the governments actually doing something with the information that has been provided? That seems stupid. It also seems stupid that you think Muslims aren't preventing attacks. They most certainly are, in fact, Muslims are giving their lives every day to fight Islamic Extremists. In one month, about 4000 Muslims gave their lives fighting these asshats. That's basically the equivalent to a 9-11 attack. In fact, Muslims fighting terrorism have given the equivalent of approximately 100 (one-hundred) 9-11 attacks in deaths fighting terrorism. The VAST majority of people fighting terrorism are in fact Muslims. They do this in spite of the fact that the US and Western coalition holds a significant amount of responsibility for the existence of these terrorists to begin with.
Quoted for truth.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:18 am to GurleyGirl
quote:So those who create/train/fund these acts are innocent?
The problem is Islam itself.
Without the creation, funding, training, and weaponizing of these animals, they would remain common criminals in their own little sandbox.
Why do you pay no attention to that aspect of it?
There are approximately 3.3 million Muslims in this country right now. I'm sorry, but I just don't see the chaos in the streets that you claim is unavoidable from this group.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 10:29 am
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:19 am to MrCarton
quote:
So your applause is dependent on the governments actually doing something with the information that has been provided? That seems stupid. It also seems stupid that you think Muslims aren't preventing attacks. They most certainly are, in fact, Muslims are giving their lives every day to fight Islamic Extremists. In one month, about 4000 Muslims gave their lives fighting these asshats. That's basically the equivalent to a 9-11 attack. In fact, Muslims fighting terrorism have given the equivalent of approximately 100 (one-hundred) 9-11 attacks in deaths fighting terrorism. The VAST majority of people fighting terrorism are in fact Muslims. They do this in spite of the fact that the US and Western coalition holds a significant amount of responsibility for the existence of these terrorists to begin with.
Nice.
Check out this discussion of Taqiyya I had yesterday. LINK
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:22 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:And perhaps stickied, for every moron to read before they post their mindless drivel?
So your applause is dependent on the governments actually doing something with the information that has been provided? That seems stupid. It also seems stupid that you think Muslims aren't preventing attacks. They most certainly are, in fact, Muslims are giving their lives every day to fight Islamic Extremists. In one month, about 4000 Muslims gave their lives fighting these asshats. That's basically the equivalent to a 9-11 attack. In fact, Muslims fighting terrorism have given the equivalent of approximately 100 (one-hundred) 9-11 attacks in deaths fighting terrorism. The VAST majority of people fighting terrorism are in fact Muslims. They do this in spite of the fact that the US and Western coalition holds a significant amount of responsibility for the existence of these terrorists to begin with.
Quoted for truth.
Nah, we don't want this board to completely shut down.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:25 am to TX Tiger
hat's the matter linkless, your first attempt at stupidity didn't garner you attention?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:31 am to crazy4lsu
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Check out this discussion of Taqiyya I had yesterday. LINK
That's way too nuanced and thought-provoking. Let's just go with "Islam is evil."
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:36 pm to crazy4lsu
I just read that earlier. Great work as usual.
People don't really grasp how complex these issues are in the region. Understanding just tribal law in only one country in the region is an extraordinary undertaking. In Iraq, as I'm sure you know, 50 kilometers in any direction can result in immensely different perspectives on crime and justice. Some of that is religious, some tribal, some cultural. Surprisingly, the Jubori Sunni tribal law has a LOT in common with some western legal theories. It has a heavy focus on making the victims whole, and less emphasis on punishment on the perp. Even during Sadaams time, the legal system in the northern Iraqi areas leaned heavily on private adjudication and victim compensation. That was all destroyed when the US came in and tried to teach and impose our "advanced" and "humane" legal system to them. For a variety of reasons that did not work, and our attempts to centralize that aspect of their societies caused tremendous problems. One of which exacerbated the growth of ISIL, which is why the same people arrested and imprisoned in 2006 and 2007 are the leaders of ISIL in Iraq and Syria now. Crazy how fricking stupid we were.
Having seen their private legal system up close for many years, i have to say there is a lot we could learn in the west from it. It's not perfect, but there are some seriously effective aspects of it that prevent having the prison society we have here, while making victims as whole as possible.
People don't really grasp how complex these issues are in the region. Understanding just tribal law in only one country in the region is an extraordinary undertaking. In Iraq, as I'm sure you know, 50 kilometers in any direction can result in immensely different perspectives on crime and justice. Some of that is religious, some tribal, some cultural. Surprisingly, the Jubori Sunni tribal law has a LOT in common with some western legal theories. It has a heavy focus on making the victims whole, and less emphasis on punishment on the perp. Even during Sadaams time, the legal system in the northern Iraqi areas leaned heavily on private adjudication and victim compensation. That was all destroyed when the US came in and tried to teach and impose our "advanced" and "humane" legal system to them. For a variety of reasons that did not work, and our attempts to centralize that aspect of their societies caused tremendous problems. One of which exacerbated the growth of ISIL, which is why the same people arrested and imprisoned in 2006 and 2007 are the leaders of ISIL in Iraq and Syria now. Crazy how fricking stupid we were.
Having seen their private legal system up close for many years, i have to say there is a lot we could learn in the west from it. It's not perfect, but there are some seriously effective aspects of it that prevent having the prison society we have here, while making victims as whole as possible.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:32 pm to GurleyGirl
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If they and all Islamic leaders were serious/sincere about reforming their ideology, we wouldn't be having ongoing Muslim terrorism in the first place.
The kind of people that would lead a reform movement are the exact same people that have the least influence over those motivated to kill innocent people. A reform would benefit the terrorists that exist now the least of anyone, though I am not saying a large scale reform shouldn't be welcomed.
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