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More Common Core
Posted on 12/31/14 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/31/14 at 9:54 am
NPR Story
Bit of a long read, but an interesting one.
It confirms a lot of my thoughts about Common Core:
1) Common Core is simply standards, and the standards are both good and needed, as well as the idea that the standards should be the same from state to state.
2) The implementation of these standards has been a trainwreck.
3) The people in the states and districts do not understand common core, so, the curriculum they are writing is terrible.
4) The textbook writers are mailing it in, and instead of writing actual common core textbooks, are just pulling together BS and calling it a common core textbook.
5) Before Common Core was adopted, more textbooks and curriculum and lesson plans and teacher training should have been done.
Bit of a long read, but an interesting one.
It confirms a lot of my thoughts about Common Core:
1) Common Core is simply standards, and the standards are both good and needed, as well as the idea that the standards should be the same from state to state.
2) The implementation of these standards has been a trainwreck.
3) The people in the states and districts do not understand common core, so, the curriculum they are writing is terrible.
4) The textbook writers are mailing it in, and instead of writing actual common core textbooks, are just pulling together BS and calling it a common core textbook.
5) Before Common Core was adopted, more textbooks and curriculum and lesson plans and teacher training should have been done.
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 9:58 am to LSUFanHouston
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The implementation of these standards has been a trainwreck.
Sounds familiar
Posted on 12/31/14 at 9:59 am to LSUFanHouston
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"Numbers Don't Lie (but Michele Bachmann Does)."
Obviously, no one should challenge any potential agenda behind common core just because one of its designers blogs the above.
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 10:50 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:02 am to LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:06 am to LSUFanHouston
From the Education Act of 1965 to No Child left behind to Race To The Top to Common Core, the feds have tried to influence education, most often producing less than desired results. In other words, the results you would expect from a federal agency.
I know next to nothing about common core but I have a fairly concise understanding of the incompetence of the federal government.
Do away with the Department of Education altogether.
I know next to nothing about common core but I have a fairly concise understanding of the incompetence of the federal government.
Do away with the Department of Education altogether.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:34 am to Wee Ice Mon
You are missing the point. Those things you mention aren't part of Common Core. I'm certain a bunch of math geeks could care less about databases and FERPA.
These things were egregious federal oversteps, that the feds used Common Core as the reason to implement.
CC has nothing to do with Big Data and control. CC is about getting kids to learn relevant things. The federal government hijacking, and the Big Data stuff, needs to be called out. But that can be fixed - if we have the balls - without destroying CC.
These things were egregious federal oversteps, that the feds used Common Core as the reason to implement.
CC has nothing to do with Big Data and control. CC is about getting kids to learn relevant things. The federal government hijacking, and the Big Data stuff, needs to be called out. But that can be fixed - if we have the balls - without destroying CC.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:36 am to LSUFanHouston
Common Core is the greatest thing to happen to American education in decades. Seriously.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:42 am to CollegeFBRules
I have mixed opinions about common core but I do know there are some very dumb educators out there.
A school system I consulted for purchased some top of the line db to do their payroll - way beyond gear they needed.
And in the process of setting it up they decided there were 52 months in a year.
Must be the new math thing.
A school system I consulted for purchased some top of the line db to do their payroll - way beyond gear they needed.
And in the process of setting it up they decided there were 52 months in a year.
Must be the new math thing.
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:I understand it to mean a 6th grader in Louisiana is in the same place academically as a 6th grader from Cal or NY and could transfer without being behind. Does this mean the end of social promotions? Of course not and is a flaw with common core.
1) Common Core is simply standards, and the standards are both good and needed, as well as the idea that the standards should be the same from state to state.
quote:And there are thousands and thousands of teachers that are incapable of learning and teaching common core.
3) The people in the states and districts do not understand common core, so, the curriculum they are writing is terrible.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:12 pm to mauser
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Does this mean the end of social promotions? Of course not and is a flaw with common core.
Social promotion is a bad idea... but not sure what it has to do with common core.
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And there are thousands and thousands of teachers that are incapable of learning and teaching common core.
Agreed. So what do we do? Do we allow ourselves to continue to have a terrible education system, because our teachers can't hack it? Or do we try to improve the teachers, or replace them?
Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:13 pm to mauser
It actually does mean the end of social promotions.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 12:15 pm to mauser
You were talking about social promotion with regard to common core, I was told that the new common core test won't be completely scored until late August. So no one in Louisiana will be held back due to the 'high stake test'
Can any educator confirm?
Can any educator confirm?
Posted on 12/31/14 at 1:09 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Common Core is the greatest thing to happen to American education in decades. Seriously.
Don't know if you are being sarcastic or not - but I agree with the statement.
I speak only from an acquaintance with the math standards. (CC is a set of standards - it is not a curriculum.) The standards are excellent - and they emphasize that the implementation of those standards are entirely a local responsibility.
For the math standards there was a preamble to the entire section - The first item was something to the effect of "analyze the problem and persevere to find a solution." This was my basic approach for my entire 11 year career at teaching math.
HOWEVER - I resigned in Oct 2012 because of the implementation maze that was being constructed in response to those common sense standards. It seemed every bureaucrat in Baton Rouge decided to come up with entirely new and different methodologies as to how we were going to accomplish these basic goals.
We were being pulled in five directions having nothing to do with the task of actually teaching Advanced Math in order to provide all the 'measures' being asked for so our performance could be evaluated. I could have taught math until I keeled over at the chalkboard and let my performance be evaluated by how well my students performed at the end of the year. I would have welcomed any administrator, or parent, or school board member, or anyone else to come into my classroom as often as they liked to observe my methods and materials presented.
I was not going to spend more time planning on how to be evaluated than I did in preparing for the lessons to my students. I knew that I would become a problem for the administration, so I bowed out before I became a pariah.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 1:31 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 12/31/14 at 2:08 pm to Eurocat
quote:I'll believe it when I see it.
It actually does mean the end of social promotions
Posted on 12/31/14 at 2:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Yes, we try to improve them. Can we replace those that can't be improved? I think the state education associations will create an uproar that will force the school boards to back down.
do we try to improve the teachers, or replace them?
Posted on 12/31/14 at 4:18 pm to TigerintheNO
The negatives of social promotion are greatly overstated. There's little to no data that suggests learning is improved by grade-level retention.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 4:52 pm to the808bass
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The negatives of social promotion are greatly overstated.
I practiced my own form of social promotion. I saw no need to give a senior an F unless he was disrespectful and disruptive. If he was in one of my upper level math classes and even gave the semblance of trying, I would find a way to give him a D. No sense in having him come back the following year - he would never learn the material.
If it was a special education student - one with a bunch of IEPs - I would just give them the same tests as the other students and only grade the better half of their results. I spent absolutely NO time trying to create special tests for them. If they got an F you had to explain how you fulfilled all their IEPs. The lady that filled out the IEPs marked every possible modification that existed - no way in hell you could do all that. So, I found a way to get them a D.
All of the above is modified by "except in extreme cases" - i had no problem letting students receive the Fs they truly earned by not trying or by being an attitude problem.
I concentrated my time and efforts in trying to teach fundamentals to the middle third of every class with a little extra effort to challenge the upper third. The lower third got nothing but my best efforts.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 5:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Common Core is simply standards, and the standards are both good and needed
ok.
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the standards should be the same from state to state.
frick that. If Alabama wants to lag behind everyone else, let them. The states with higher standards get the best talent and more residents/customers.
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The implementation of these standards has been a trainwreck.
yep. Thank you big government assholes who think its their job to run everything on a federal level.
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The people in the states and districts do not understand common core, so, the curriculum they are writing is terrible.
Symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
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The textbook writers are mailing it in, and instead of writing actual common core textbooks, are just pulling together BS and calling it a common core textbook
Another symptom of the problem.
Common Core is part of the problem. The problem is Federal control of what should be a state issue. The farther away the decisions are made, even if it's simply a set of "standards," the more likely it is that it will be fricked up. Adopting Common Core is the opposite direction of the path we should be taking. Republicans who support it are saying yes to bigger(or status quo at minimum) government in regards to education, and there's no way they can also claim to support smaller government. We should be downsizing and eliminating the DOE, rather than giving it more to regulate and keep an eye on.
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