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Mississippi wins right to enforce religious exemptions law
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:16 pm
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Pretty important case nationally. 5th Circuit overturns lower court. We heading to the Supreme Court, baby!
Mississippi’s controversial religious objection bill, which has drawn harsh criticism from the LGBT community and others, is now in effect, thanks to an appeals court.
In 2016, the Mississippi Legislature passed the “Protecting Freedom of Conscience from Government Discrimination Act," better known as HB 1523, authored by House Speaker Philip Gunn. A reaction to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling legalizing gay marriage nationwide, the Mississippi bill seeks to protect by law the belief that marriage is the union of one man and one woman and prevents government intervention when churches or businesses act "based upon or in a manner consistent with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction."
Pretty important case nationally. 5th Circuit overturns lower court. We heading to the Supreme Court, baby!
Mississippi’s controversial religious objection bill, which has drawn harsh criticism from the LGBT community and others, is now in effect, thanks to an appeals court.
In 2016, the Mississippi Legislature passed the “Protecting Freedom of Conscience from Government Discrimination Act," better known as HB 1523, authored by House Speaker Philip Gunn. A reaction to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling legalizing gay marriage nationwide, the Mississippi bill seeks to protect by law the belief that marriage is the union of one man and one woman and prevents government intervention when churches or businesses act "based upon or in a manner consistent with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction."
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:17 pm to anc
Very good.
To think this much effort is necessary to protect basic personal liberty is sad.
The rancor and hostility towards it is scary.
To think this much effort is necessary to protect basic personal liberty is sad.
The rancor and hostility towards it is scary.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:19 pm to anc
Good. America has forgotten that religion is just as much a protected class as anything else.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:30 pm to narddogg81
quote:Definitely something people need to remember since religious protection is explicitly stated in the Constitution where these other distinctions are not.
Good. America has forgotten that religion is just as much a protected class as anything else
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:33 pm to anc
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prevents government intervention when churches or businesses act "based upon or in a manner consistent with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction."
The law covers exclusions for premarital sex as well, but I doubt we'll see much done under that provision.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:41 pm to anc
quote:whose belief is this?
...the Mississippi bill seeks to protect by law the belief that marriage is the union of one man and one woman...
Christians?
because marriage predates Christianity by several thousand years. you don't own it, you're not in charge of it, its not up to you to decide who qualifies.
also, we don't make laws in this country based on religious beliefs, and if anyone can give an explanation for why "marriage is the union of one man and one woman" that doesn't come down to "because the bible says so", then Id be fascinated to hear it.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:41 pm to slackster
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The law covers exclusions for premarital sex as well, but I doubt we'll see much done under that provision.
Honestly, who cares if a small town pharmacy cashier decides that she won't sell condoms to a 15 year old besides the 15 year old?
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:44 pm to anc
Yikes
If the supreme court votes in favor of the state of Mississippi, they're efficiently nullifying equal protection under the 14th amendment.
If the supreme court votes in favor of the state of Mississippi, they're efficiently nullifying equal protection under the 14th amendment.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:45 pm to anc
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Honestly, who cares if a small town pharmacy cashier decides that she won't sell condoms to a 15 year old besides the 15 year old?
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:47 pm to MastrShake
quote:According to Christians, their belief is that marriage was instituted by God at the creation, which predates all formal religions.
because marriage predates Christianity by several thousand years. you don't own it, you're not in charge of it, its not up to you to decide who qualifies.
It's not the timeline (of the religion) that matters in Christianity but the institution and where it came from (God).
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:47 pm to anc
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Honestly, who cares if a small town pharmacy cashier decides that she won't sell condoms to a 15 year old besides the 15 year old?
No one. I'm just pointing out that some religious exemptions are more important than others in practice. A baker won't make a cake for a gay wedding, but he doesn't give a damn if a traditional couple is having premarital sex. Using religion as the basis seems a bit cheap when you're picking and choosing which facets you want to follow.
That being said, I don't have a problem with the law.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:49 pm to MastrShake
quote:It's protecting the belief. It's not mandating that anyone believe it.
whose belief is this?
Christians?
because marriage predates Christianity by several thousand years. you don't own it, you're not in charge of it, its not up to you to decide who qualifies.
also, we don't make laws in this country based on religious beliefs, and if anyone can give an explanation for why "marriage is the union of one man and one woman" that doesn't come down to "because the bible says so", then Id be fascinated to hear it.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:51 pm to anc
So legalized prejudice due to sexuality under the excuse of 'Religious Freedom."
Sounds like bigotry to me. Damn shame y'all are cheering this on.
Sounds like bigotry to me. Damn shame y'all are cheering this on.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:52 pm to anc
quote:
Honestly, who cares if a small town pharmacy cashier decides that she won't sell condoms to a 15 year old besides the 15 year old?
TBH we should care.
At least making contraception available and affordable will reduce both the amount of abortions performed and the amount of unprovided for kids with teen moms.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:52 pm to slackster
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No one. I'm just pointing out that some religious exemptions are more important than others in practice. A baker won't make a cake for a gay wedding, but he doesn't give a damn if a traditional couple is having premarital sex.
This a terrible comparison.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:53 pm to UnAnon
quote:FIFY
So legalized prejudice due to religious belief under the excuse of 'marriage equality'."
Sounds like bigotry to me. Damn shame y'all are cheering this on.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:55 pm to anc
quote:
with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction
so who gets to decided what is a "sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction"?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:57 pm to Machine
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they're efficiently nullifying equal protection under the 14th amendment.
No they aren't you little drama queen. They can still go to the courthouse and get married or anywhere that will marry them. They are just getting out in front of churches being forced to marry them.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:58 pm to anc
I am not a religious person but I understand religious liberty is a fundamental right and is a building block of this county's history, tradition/customs, national identity, and federal/state laws.
If the government can take away someone's religious rights, then no rights are safe from the government
If the government can take away someone's religious rights, then no rights are safe from the government
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:58 pm to Machine
quote:If churches and religious organizations aren't exempt, it effectively nullifies the 1st amendment protection for religion. And, since this is an opt-out specific to religious organizations, it doesn't nullify equal protection because no one has a right to something at the expense of another's rights.
If the supreme court votes in favor of the state of Mississippi, they're efficiently nullifying equal protection under the 14th amendment.
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