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Michigan Democrats approve National Popular Vote scheme
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:01 am
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:01 am
‘National Popular Vote’ scheme would make Michigan electorally irrelevant
Michigan voters have long played a pivotal role in presidential elections, until now.
The House Elections Committee in Lansing recently approved House Bill 156, legislation which would enroll Michigan in the so-called “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact,” which could soon be taken up on the House Floor.
It may sound innocent, but National Popular Vote is a left-wing scheme to take over states’ elections and fundamentally transform our constitutional system for electing presidents. If implemented, it would surrender Michigan’s considerable influence in this process to large population centers of the East and West coasts of the country.
In other words, Michiganders would be relegated from decisive swing state voters to mere bystanders in presidential elections.
No longer would Michigan’s fifteen electoral votes go to the presidential candidate who wins support from a majority of the state’s voters. Rather, they would be assigned to whichever candidate gets the most total votes across all the nation’s various state election systems.
So the loser of presidential elections in Michigan would often receive all of Michigan’s electoral votes, with the outcome decided instead by the voters in California, New York, Florida, Texas, and Illinois.
New York has 19 million residents, California 39 million, Texas 32 million, Florida 22 million. Michigan has a population of only about 10 million — not much more than metropolitan Chicago, which one can travel through by car in less than an hour.
This doesn’t just dilute the vote of Michiganders — it obliterates it. The Founding Fathers were careful to devise a system where smaller states and less urban populations had a fair say in electing the president.
Michigan voters have long played a pivotal role in presidential elections, until now.
The House Elections Committee in Lansing recently approved House Bill 156, legislation which would enroll Michigan in the so-called “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact,” which could soon be taken up on the House Floor.
It may sound innocent, but National Popular Vote is a left-wing scheme to take over states’ elections and fundamentally transform our constitutional system for electing presidents. If implemented, it would surrender Michigan’s considerable influence in this process to large population centers of the East and West coasts of the country.
In other words, Michiganders would be relegated from decisive swing state voters to mere bystanders in presidential elections.
No longer would Michigan’s fifteen electoral votes go to the presidential candidate who wins support from a majority of the state’s voters. Rather, they would be assigned to whichever candidate gets the most total votes across all the nation’s various state election systems.
So the loser of presidential elections in Michigan would often receive all of Michigan’s electoral votes, with the outcome decided instead by the voters in California, New York, Florida, Texas, and Illinois.
New York has 19 million residents, California 39 million, Texas 32 million, Florida 22 million. Michigan has a population of only about 10 million — not much more than metropolitan Chicago, which one can travel through by car in less than an hour.
This doesn’t just dilute the vote of Michiganders — it obliterates it. The Founding Fathers were careful to devise a system where smaller states and less urban populations had a fair say in electing the president.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:06 am to cajunangelle
So they are in effect nullifying the Electoral Vote model of POTUS elections? Pretty smart Leftist move. They must know that the people of Michigan are pissed and that the Urban vote won't be able to stem the tide, even with cheating.
Par for the course.
Par for the course.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:07 am to cajunangelle
Winner take all laws bastardized and corrupted the electoral college.
This is worse because it moves winner take all to a national level.
The answer is to restore the original intent of the electoral college by getting rid of winner take all laws.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:07 am to cajunangelle
Who are the other 36 states that agree with MI on this issue?
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:09 am to RCDfan1950
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They must know that the people of Michigan are pissed and that the Urban vote won't be able to stem the tide, even with cheating.
No it's more of a status thing for states to seem more modern. The Constitution permits states to make this determination.
quote:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress:
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:10 am to GumboPot
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Who are the other 36 states that agree with MI on this issue?
From the National Popular Vote website.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:12 am to RCDfan1950
quote:
So they are in effect nullifying the Electoral Vote model of POTUS elections? Pretty smart Leftist move. They must know that the people of Michigan are pissed and that the Urban vote won't be able to stem the tide, even with cheating. Par for the course.
Yep, so null most points of going to the voter poll
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:15 am to cajunangelle
Not gonna lie it would be funny if Trump is the nominee and won the popular vote and all these left wing states had to give him their electoral votes.
Methinks this scheme would end on that day
Methinks this scheme would end on that day
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:15 am to TrueTiger
quote:
The answer is to restore the original intent of the electoral college by getting rid of winner take all laws.
??
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:17 am to Fun Bunch
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Not gonna lie it would be funny if Trump is the nominee and won the popular vote and all these left wing states had to give him their electoral votes.
Methinks this scheme would end on that day
It would be funny but we all know that's near 0% chance of happening. Nationally the DEMs have a pretty safe lead.
When was the last GOP popular vote winner? 2004? Then 1988 before that?
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 7:18 am
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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more of a status thing for states to seem more modern
so - they can now just not even bother with those messy 'elections' anymore - quit having to show up in Detroit hauling those truckload of ballots all over the place in the dead of the night.
seems about right for the Democrat mindset.
may be a good thing - they could then deny political advertising across the state.
Hell - maybe even let Chicago City Council hand-pick their state officials.
take a nap - let the trolls decide
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:17 am to Fun Bunch
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Not gonna lie it would be funny if Trump is the nominee and won the popular vote and all these left wing states had to give him their electoral votes.
So why would they take that gamble unless…….they know the election will always be rigged
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:18 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:
so - they can now just not even bother with those messy 'elections' anymore - quit having to show up in Detroit hauling those truckload of ballots all over the place in the dead of the night.
seems about right for the Democrat mindset.
may be a good thing - they could then deny political advertising across the state.
Hell - maybe even let Chicago City Council hand-pick their state officials.
take a nap - let the trolls decide
State's rights
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:18 am to CoachChappy
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So why would they take that gamble unless…….they know the election will always be rigged
DEMs don't have to "rig" a national vote contest
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:25 am to cajunangelle
Now that conspiracy theory of voting machines in deep blue states easily flipping votes to pad the poplar vote optics of the 2020 election comes back into play.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:27 am to Indefatigable
Look at Maine and Nebraska. Electoral votes are allocated basically by congressional district.
So if a district is red, that goes to the Republican. The same if it were blue.
California for example has about 12 red districts. Under winner take all laws (states started installing these in the 1800s) the electoral votes of those districts get switched to the democrat.
Without winner take all a Republican would get some electoral votes from California and New York, but on the flip side a Democrat would get some from Texas and Florida.
The majority vote crowd says they want to make the presidential election more granular. This is a way to do that without changing the Constitution.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:29 am to TrueTiger
^^ Mitt wins 2012 this way. This is the fairest way at the state level, and may be the only way, if not to late, to stop the exodus out of the deep blue states
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 7:32 am
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:32 am to TrueTiger
quote:
Winner take all laws bastardized and corrupted the electoral college.
This is worse because it moves winner take all to a national level.
The answer is to restore the original intent of the electoral college by getting rid of winner take all laws.
The basic idea was that States were fairly independent entities housed within a federal framework which primarily regulated international and interstate issues. The Electoral College was set up with the idea that this would keep highly-populated States from having too much power in the EC, thus possibly creating a "favorite son" scenario in regards to potential candidates.
These two aspects are now in conflict with NPV legislation. The federal government has no authority to determine how States allot their EC votes, even if the States decide to give them over to a scheme which essentially gives their EC clout to more populous states.
We always talk about how the US government is an ongoing experiment in freedom, most experiments have to go through failures before reaching success. All we can really hope for is for the idea to eventually prove itself to be so bad enough that voters in each state push their legislators to change it back (thus, recognizing that part of the experiment has failed, so you go back to the part which has succeeded).
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:32 am to keks tadpole
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^^ Mitt wins 2012 this way
I think so.
There used to be some good 'what-if' maps that showed the electoral college without winner take all.
I can't seem to find any.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:33 am to SlowFlowPro
The question is - does it have a chance to pass ?
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