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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:55 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:55 pm to CptBengal
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Sweet. Again, what percentage of criminal behavior from the police is acceptable? 5%, 10%, 2%?
What do you mean by acceptable? I am saying people commit crimes. Everyone in every profession. it doesn't make it acceptable, but i don't throw out all doctors because some right prescription for themselves. I don't stop eating all food because a chef stabbed guy.
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I'm willing to bet if we look at the rate of criminal malfeasance and the ratio to incarceration...cops have a much different number than the public.
I am willing to bed you are wrong. Are we going by a legal standard of what criminal malfeasance is or your perception of it?
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No. Claiming that the husband is dead because of the wife disciplining her child is absurd....it really is an absurd argument.
I have consistently said in my posts that we don't know what happened. That we should get fact before passing judgment. Were you there? If you know what happened form an eye witness point of view please share.
I am saying that getting maced may have been appropriate in this situation, and it may have been a freak accident. Mace and gazers are useful non lethal tools for police, but they also can cause allergic reactions or heart reactions.
Maybe these guys kneeled on him used excessive force. Maybe the guy was quietly discussing the matter and got murdered. but we don't know.
Everyone on here is letting agenda trump truth.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:56 pm to Alahunter
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Would he be dead, had she not violently attacked her child in public?
Same could be said for every dead cop. He would not be dead if he had not....
Point?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:57 pm to CptBengal
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So a third party can be killed by the actions of 2 other parties now?
If you're a driver for a friend robbing a bank, and he kills a teller, you're as responsible as he is for the murder. Her actions set in motion the entire set of events that led to her husbands death. Did she at any time, during the confrontation, state that she was the guilty party or did she wait and do so after her husband was cuffed?
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:57 pm to Alahunter
quote:Yes, and I don't trust them either.
Ever hear of Internal Affairs?
I want public condemnation of actions. Public outcries from these so called "good cops".
Then I'll be satisfied.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:58 pm to Scruffy
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Yes, there are bad apples in a profession that are never called out by the supposed "good". Never do you hear about cops calling for other cops to be fired.
You do see cops getting arrested by... who? Citizen arrests?
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Oh, you mean where cops police their own? Yea, I'm sure cops are as efficient and honest with that as they government is with investigating itself.
Should we have a separate police to police the police police? How would you do it?
Citizen Lynch mobs?
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:59 pm to novabill
Police more of a danger to public than criminals.
They are more violent at home, too.
LINK
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Much of the blame can be attributed to “law and order” conservatives. Years ago when New York liberals began to observe the growing high-handed behavior of police, they called for civilian police review boards. Conservatives, such as National Review’s William F. Buckley, went berserk, claiming that any oversight over the police would hamstring the police and cause crime to explode.
The conservatives could see no threat in the police, only in an effort to hold police accountable. As far as I can tell, this is still the mindset.
They are more violent at home, too.
LINK
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Law enforcement officers beat their wives or girlfriends at nearly double the rate of the rest of the population, and trying to control that is not only difficult for the victims but potentially deadly, experts say.
The trouble lies in the very nature of police work.
One of the hallmarks of a good cop is to radiate authority and control, and in the wrong hands, those characteristics can be misused, domestic violence counselors say.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:59 pm to Scruffy
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Oh, you mean where cops police their own internally?
Well, that's what you specifically were asking about. Cops turning in cops.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:59 pm to Scruffy
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Apparently, only one side needed to act civilized.
Well said.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Doesn't surprise me in the least.
Police more of a danger to public than criminals.
More people were killed by cops in America in 2011 than soldiers killed in Afghanistan in the same year. ~200 more.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:00 pm to novabill
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Same could be said for every dead cop. He would not be dead if he had not....
decided to protect and serve his community?
Tried to stop that robber with a gun?
Been dressed as a cop in the wrong neighborhood?
Yeah these all sounds like beating a child in public.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They are more violent at home, too
That's fact, they tend to be more alcoholics as well. It's not a pretty profession and dealing with the dregs of society takes a toll on good people. It's not meant to excuse the bad ones though, as there are good ones that don't do any of the above and do a great job.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:01 pm to Alahunter
quote:And after considering that while I typed my post, I realized that my stance was actually incorrect.
Well, that's what you specifically were asking about. Cops turning in cops.
Having a group of people investigate themselves makes zero sense.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:02 pm to Scruffy
How bout people killed in Chicago in that same year?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:03 pm to Alahunter
This is one of the more pathetic threads in the history of the poli board thanks to Sammy and ala
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:03 pm to Scruffy
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Ever hear of Internal Affairs?
Oh, you mean where cops police their own internally?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/07/police-brutality-new-jersey-report_n_4555166.html
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A whopping 99 percent of all complaints regarding police brutality are left uninvestigated in central New Jersey, according to a Courier News and Home News Tribune report published this week.
Majority of police brutality complaints go uninvestigated
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:03 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Oh don't act like cops getting arrested and put away for killing someone accidentally is a common thing. You know its rare.
You do see cops getting arrested by... who? Citizen arrests?
quote:Lynch mobs? No, but citizen review boards probably wouldn't be a bad idea. They should be held accountable by us.
Should we have a separate police to police the police police? How would you do it?
Citizen Lynch mobs?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:04 pm to CherryGarciaMan
Yeah. Damnit to hell wanting more facts. Crucify them now!
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:04 pm to Alahunter
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dealing with the dregs of society takes a toll on good people
I'd consider a wife beater a dreg of society.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:04 pm to Alahunter
quote:Beat them by ~200 as well.
How bout people killed in Chicago in that same year?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:05 pm to Scruffy
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but citizen review boards
Who gets on these? Appointed by mayors? Or city councils? Same ones that appoint police chiefs?
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