re: Make America Covfefe Again

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Find someone who can give us a polygraph test and they can ask us any questions about our sightings that you want them to ask us.

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You're a dumbass. Polygraph tests have been proven to be unreliable.

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That's just a cop out.

My brother and I are willing to be asked any question about the animal we saw on February 5, 1985 and take the chance that we pass on every question or else we lose the challenge.

All you have to do in order to win the challenge is have one of us fail one question.

What's the matter?

Are you afraid both of us will pass every question?

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So now you are claiming you thought it was just as likely that I knew the artists as I didn't know the artists.

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No, I flatly stated that I had no opinion one way or the other.

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You always have an opinion on everything else that is discussed on PT yet now you have no opinion about this.

How convenient.

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I don't claim to have seen a sea serpent eating turkey sandwiches in San Francisco Bay.

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So what was it doing?

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It was chasing a sea lion.

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I'm sure you have but not to my satisfaction.

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I'm not concerned about that.

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You sure are concerned when I don't answer your questions to your satisfaction.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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She drew to the best of her ability what she actually saw one night when she looked out the window of a car as she was being driven home from the SF airport on highway 101.

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Prove that.

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Prove to me that you are a real human being and not a computer that is just responding to me.

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The artists who drew A and B never claimed the whimsical cartoon characters they drew were real animals they actually saw.

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Prove that, too.

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Prove that you are not a computer first.

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He told us that before he communicated with us he personally thought the type of unknown marine animal we saw did not exist but after communicating with us he changed his mind and now believed the type of marine animal we saw does exist.

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The father of cryptozoology "changed his mind" about sea serpents? Impressive

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If you had read Dr. Heuvelmans' book, In the Wake of the Sea-Serpents then you would know he listed seven types of sea serpents that he believed exist and he gave a detailed description of each type.

The type of sea serpent we told him we saw which is a large unknown serpentine marine animal is not one of the seven types of sea serpents that he listed in his book, In the Wake of the Sea-Serpents.

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You always have an opinion on everything else that is discussed on PT

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Not even close to true.

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It was chasing a sea lion.

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Did it ever catch it?

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You sure are concerned when I don't answer your questions to your satisfaction.

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No, not really. I'm just not going to let you dodge them.

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Prove to me that you are a real human being and not a computer that is just responding to me.

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I didn't make that claim.

You did claim she actually saw what she drew.

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Prove that you are not a computer first.

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I didn't claim I wasn't.

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If you had read Dr. Heuvelmans' book, In the Wake of the Sea-Serpents then you would know he listed seven types of sea serpents that he believed exist and he gave a detailed description of each type.

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This supports my point.

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You always have an opinion on everything else that is discussed on PT

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Not even close to true.

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On every other thread you post in you do.

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It was chasing a sea lion.

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Did it ever catch it?

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Nope.

The sea lion swam over the submerged rocky ledge and the sea serpent followed it but got caught on the submerged rocky ledge while the sea lion swam to Stone Tower Point where it crawled onto shore.

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You sure are concerned when I don't answer your questions to your satisfaction.

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No, not really. I'm just not going to let you dodge them.

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I don't dodge reasonable questions but I refuse to answer stupid questions that are asked to ridicule me.

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Prove to me that you are a real human being and not a computer that is just responding to me.

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I didn't make that claim.

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So what?

For all I know you are just a computer and not a human being until you prove to me that you are actually a human being and not a computer.

Get my point?

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You did claim she actually saw what she drew.

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She contacted my brother and me and told us that's what she saw in 1985 which is the same year of our first sighting and there is no reason for me not to believe her since what she drew was very similar to what my brother and I saw and now she is very worried that publicly reporting what she saw is going to ruin her career as a professional poet.

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Prove that you are not a computer first.

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I didn't claim I wasn't.

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Then I'll believe you are a computer even if it isn't the truth.

Get my point?

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If you had read Dr. Heuvelmans' book, In the Wake of the Sea-Serpents then you would know he listed seven types of sea serpents that he believed exist and he gave a detailed description of each type.

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This supports my point.

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How so?

If Dr. Heuvelmans had believed the type of sea serpent we saw exists before we communicated with him then he would have included it in his book with the seven other types of sea serpents he believed exist.

After all, my sig line clearly shows he believed my brother and I had a chance sighting of a large marine animal unknown to science.

Covfefe is a sea serpent?

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On every other thread you post in you do.

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False.

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Prove it.

After all, why else would you post in a thread but to give your opinion?

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Nope

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That's good.

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The truth is always good.

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I don't dodge reasonable questions but I refuse to answer stupid questions that are asked to ridicule me.

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You're certainly entitled to dodge anything you want.

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You are the one dodging reasonable questions not me.

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She contacted my brother and me and told us that's what she saw and there is no reason for me not to believe her since what she drew was very similar to what my brother and I saw and now she is very worried that publicly reporting what she saw is going to ruin her career as a professional poet.

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Cool, so no proof.

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Anecdotal evidence is evidence that tends to prove even if you refuse to accept it as anecdotal evidence that tends to prove.

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Then I'll believe you are a computer even if it isn't the truth.

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I don't care what you believe.

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In other words, you didn't get the point I was making.

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How so?

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He clearly had a bias to believe your story based on his history.

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Fail.

His history before we talked to him about our first sighting was that he didn't believe the type of sea serpent we saw exists.

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What's the matter?

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I'll tell you what's the matter; polygraphs have been deemed unreliable. All you have to do is take a beta blocker. Some people don't even need beta blockers to trick it.

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Covfefe.

Show me the proof that all you have to do is take a beta blocker to fool a polygraph.

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Hell, for all we know you could be telling the truth and the polygraph will say you're lying.

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My brother and I are willing to take that chance and you should be willing too since if that happens you still win the challenge.

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But we all know that Gyarados you claim to see isn't real.

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My brother and I are not claiming we saw a make believe serpentine Chinese dragon-like Pokémon.

We're claiming we saw a real large unknown serpentine marine animal.

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Polygraphs are unreliable. And even if they were reliable, you're asking for something you know nobody will take you up on.

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Why? Are you and they afraid my brother and I will both pass the polygraph test?

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CNN: Cheif

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Clearly, they're trolling.

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Show me the proof that all you have to do is take a beta blocker to fool a polygraph.

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I forgot who I'm talking to here. I'm assuming you don't know what beta blockers do?

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Beta blockers may occasionally help someone pass a polygraph test but it's not a sure thing,

Besides, my brother and I are willing to be tested for any drugs in our body before we take the test.

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The use of alpha (1 and 2) as well as beta (1 and 2) agonists (stimulants) and antagonists (blockers) may produce profound autonomic nervous system (ANS) effects. The well known beta-1 blockers have well-demonstrated effects (direct and indirect) on myocardial function (and elsewhere), i.e., inotropic (force of contraction), chronotropic (heart rate), as well as on the rate of spread of electrical conduction within myocardial tissue. As has been pointed out before on this message board, these profound effects are of little practical concern in a polygraph examination, inasmuch as they are tonic effects (not phasic effects) which will affect the cardiovascular physiology monitored over the totality of the polygraph exam, effecting both control and relevant question responses whose intercomparison is the basis for polygraph scoring. Remember...the goal of one who attempts polygraph countermeasures is to increase control question responses relative to relevant question responses, not reduce (or increase) all responses equally. You mention Central Nervous System (CNS) effects (antianxiety)....yes, they do exist, but the same story is likely to exist for these effects as well--they would likely be undifferentiated amongst responses to control and relevant questions.

Not only is such pharmacological intervention largely ineffective (there, however, may be some value in some situations in reducting all responses yielding an inconclusive result which can then be coupled with simply saying "no way" (behavioral countermeasure) to any post-test accusations), but these type of approaches are largely moot because of the very effective physical and mental countermeasures available to accomplish the task...

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This is just an excuse because you are afraid both my brother and I will pass the test.

Let us take the test first then if both of us pass you can test us both to see if we have any beta blockers or other drugs in our bodies.

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Why? Are you and they afraid my brother and I will both pass the polygraph test?

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I don't give a damn if you and your brother claim to have sucked a Gyarados dick.

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You are the one talking about sucking dicks not me.

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What I'm telling you is that that I don't believe a guy who sees a typo and believes there is more to it.

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Meh, you are sooooo fricking dumb you thought I was being serious when I asserted that covfefe was not a typo but was being used to mean bullshite.

Gawd, are you fricking gullible. I played with you like a cat plays with a mouse before the cat eats the mouse.

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The symptoms you are displaying + the whole Gyarados crap leads me to believe you suffer from Psychosis. You should see your doctor.

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Are you a psychiatrist?

Whether you are a psychiatrist or not, you don't get to defame my brother and I by claiming we are both insane just because we had the courage to publicly report our definitive sighting of a large unknown serpentine marine animal which is commonly called a sea serpent.

You are the perfect example why other eyewitnesses are afraid to report their sighting of one of these animals.

Besides, we have 3 videos that are 3 1/2 minutes to 7 minutes in length of these animals and several more shorter videos of one of these animals which support our claim that these animals exist.

Video evidence does not need to be examined by a psychiatrist. It needs to be examined by unbiased scientists who will determine what data it contains.

You and the other biased skeptics can scream and yell all you want that my brother and I are both crazy and need to see a doctor but we will not be intimidated by little schmucks like you into shutting up.

Now go back to your fantasy world and play with your Princess Leia doll.