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re: Louisiana is drowning, quickly
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:04 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:04 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Upriver levees robbed the Mississippi River of sediment that used to build up the coastline.
Inaction/denial for 20+ years when the coastal erosion problem was initially discovered.
MRGO.
The inane policy of hauling river sediment to deepwater areas and dumping it off the continental shelf, instead of making a shorter trip and using it to rebuild the wetlands.
Blocking state efforts to preserve and rebuild the coastline.
Just a few examples. The feds have an atrocious record on this issue.
A few questions:
Should there be ANY undertaking at all? If so, should it be government?
Do you think the state would have screwed up any less?
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
But but but the sea isn't rising
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
Sure, "the government"is to blame, but they only built levees, dredged rivers, allowed canals, etc. because the people, cities and companies in LA demanded it. You get what you ask for.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:09 pm to Tigah in the ATL
What if the answer is that South Louisiana simply shouldn't exist in its current form? Is there any political will to support that viewpoint? I'm guessing most people want plenty of big government dollars spent on maintaining a quasi-status-quo instead of just letting the sea do what it does.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:09 pm to islandtiger
quote:
Sure, "the government"is to blame, but they only built levees, dredged rivers, allowed canals, etc. because the people, cities and companies in LA demanded it. You get what you ask for.
My point exactly - these programs were very popular, but now people are acting as if they didn't want them all along.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:22 pm to udtiger
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fricking levees.
Pure and simple
The Old River Control Structure hasn't helped, either.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:23 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:conservatives in LA are quite selective about government spending & intervention.
I'm guessing most people want plenty of big government dollars spent on maintaining a quasi-status-quo
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:24 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
But but but the sea isn't rising
Before you try and jump all over AGW and sea-level rise, educate yourself on the myriad of factors. Sea-level is always changing over the course of Earth's history.
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Should there be ANY undertaking at all? If so, should it be government?
Seeing as how the federal government was a contributor to the problem, they should be a contributor to the solution. Unless you want self-reliant Midwesterners to give up their levees and move to higher ground. The government is also already involved via its refusal to use a common sense approach with the dredged sediment--which keeps the port navigable, but is not a local project. Without it the self-reliant Midwesterners can't get their goods to overseas markets.
quote:
Do you think the state would have screwed up any less?
Maybe, maybe not. The state couldn't have done any worse. At least we actually know something about the issue.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:57 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Seeing as how the federal government was a contributor to the problem
Oh please.
You wanted levees, or not? You wanted O&G, or not? The FedGov should just stop worrying about protecting anything other than maintaining a port and a navigable waterway. Let the MS River run wild.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:01 pm to CptBengal
quote:
it's amazing to me you claim to have a PhD based on how pathetic your grammar is, how badly you fail to grasp basic scientific concepts,
He was Obama's classmate at Columbia University.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:31 pm to Jake88
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Before you try and jump all over AGW and sea-level rise, educate yourself on the myriad of factors. Sea-level is always changing over the course of Earth's history.
LINK
I'm sure rising sea levels will make us lose less land. Right?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:35 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I'm sure rising sea levels will make us lose less land. Right?
Sea levels will rise and fall regardless of what we do. Always has. Taxing the crap out of people is not going to make it slow or speed up.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:39 pm to Jake88
quote:
Sea levels will rise and fall regardless of what we do.
Really? So man only has the power to affect land - not ocean? Did you get that out of a comic book or something?
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:54 pm to islandtiger
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Having worked in the coastal conservation field for decades, it is hard to imagine that most LA politicians and residents are seemingly ignoring the biggest environmental and economic challenge the state will ever experience.
Many LA residents and practically all LA politicians are sucking the oil company tit. Exhibit A: the law blocking suits against oil companies for coastal erosion damage. There were threads about it on both the OT and Poliboard about it, and most posters were all for immunizing oil companies from paying for the damage they've caused.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
Do they still dump christmas trees into the swamps to try and bulk up the land?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
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What specific mistakes did the government make?
Unintended consequences of the levee system and MRGO to name a couple.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:14 pm to GumboPot
Levees predated government. I'm not defending them, far from it, I'm an advocate of natural processes in almost every instance. However, credit where due, flood control did make the Mississippi Valley inhabitable. I'm not sure what the middle part of the country would look like today without it. Certainly not as economically viable.
So what now? It's going to be nearly impossible to get anything meaningful done politically. Even a very modest proposal to breach the levees in a couple of spots south of New Orleans was stonewalled by oyster fishermen.
So what now? It's going to be nearly impossible to get anything meaningful done politically. Even a very modest proposal to breach the levees in a couple of spots south of New Orleans was stonewalled by oyster fishermen.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:15 pm to GumboPot
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quote:
What specific mistakes did the government make?
Unintended consequences of the levee system and MRGO to name a couple
I hear people from South La say this all the time. They want levees, but still want to complain about the consequences. They want O&G, but still want to complain about the consequences.
They're on whatever side of the issue that causes the FedGov to spend more money on them.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:15 pm to Asgard Device
Dams have reduced sediment load by 50%
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