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Lost History-Fidel's torturers paid a visit to The Hanoi Hilton

Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:02 pm
Not many people remember this, but during the Vietnam War, when the North Vietnamese felt they needed to turn up the volume on American prisoners, Castro offered the services of his most twisted torturers. LINK

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Retired Air Force Col. Ed Hubbard says he holds no hate for "Fidel, the Cuban government agent who viciously tortured him and 17 other US prisoners of war in North Vietnam three decades ago.

Almost daily for one year, the man the POWs nicknamed Fidel whipped them with strips cut from rubber tires until their buttocks "hung in shreds, and trussed them in ropes and wires to tear at limbs and cut into flesh. Fidel was one of three Cubans sent to North Vietnam by Havana to deal with American POWs, in what became known as the Cuba Program.

He whipped and kicked one POW so fiercely in 1968 that the American went into a catatonic state and later died, in what a new book on US POWs in Vietnam calls "one of the most heinous and tragic atrocity cases.

Hubbard himself was beaten so brutally by "Fidel" during one 1967 interrogation session that fellow POW Jack Bomar recalled finding him afterward unconscious on a cell floor, "a bleeding, broken, bruised mass.

Concealed for decades by official U.S. secrecy and the shadows of a war that many simply wanted to forget, the full story of Fidel and the so- called Cuba Program is finally becoming public


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By Christmas 1967, all but one had been tortured into "surrendering" -- which meant any sign of submission that Fidel arbitrarily set, from bowing to a Vietnamese guard to accepting an unwanted cigarette or making written or tape-recorded statements that could be used by the North Vietnamese propaganda machine.

Some of the 10 were still beaten occasionally -- "just a reminder, to keep us in line, Bomar said -- but they received better meals, more mail and more time in the sunlight, outside their dark and bug-infested cells.

A confident Fidel began to select a second group of 10 POWs in January 1968. One, aware of Fidel's reputation, "surrendered" swiftly. Two others won the POWs' admiration by engaging Fidel in conversations that averted torture.

But then Fidel ran into Jim Kasler, sent to The Zoo after withstanding tortures at another prison, and Earl Cobeil, a Navy F-105 pilot who acted crazy and may indeed have suffered a head injury when he was shot down.

Fidel's monthlong beatings of Kasler were "among the worst sieges of torture any American withstood in Hanoi, the book Honor Bound said. Fidel flogged him "until his buttocks, lower back and legs hung in shreds, and at the end he was in a semi-coma. He eventually recovered.

Worse still was the onslaught against Cobeil, accused by Fidel of faking his craziness to avoid torture. Bomar recalls Fidel angrily vowing to other POWs, "I'm going to break this guy in a million pieces.

Bomar recalled that during one all-day torture session in May 1968, "Fidel took a length of black rubber hose ... and lashed it as hard as he could into the man's face. The prisoner did not react. He did not cry out or even blink.

After a month of almost daily beatings, Bomar told his debriefer, Cobeil "was bleeding everywhere, terribly swollen, a dirty, yellowish black-and-purple from head to toe.

Another POW's debriefing said Cobeil "was beaten to the point where he was incapable of surrender. Was completely catatonic. He was later transferred out of The Zoo and is listed as having died in captivity


Another account

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Quickly the peasants disrobed Dutton with no thought of unfastening buttons or zippers. They even cut his boots. With elbows tied behind his back, a loose blindfold over his eyes and a noose over his head, he was led barefooted down a rocky path. The civilians hit him with bamboo poles, rocks, dirt clods and fists. He had a gaping wound and one peasant woman stuffed it with a piece of cotton that had a mercurochrome like antiseptic on it. Loaded into a small truck, they bounced along and finally arrived at an empty church. Shortly thereafter Communist soldiers put unconscious Glen Cobeil in one truck and Dutton in another. They were taken to a Russian built helicopter and placed in the cargo section. Dutton's ankles were tied to a floor hook. As they flew along Dutton's blindfold was pulled up around his forehead and he saw an Oriental sitting on a packing crate holding a raised jack handle. Dutton thought he was going to smash his brains in. The Oriental shoved Dutton's head around to look at Glen. There was no wound on him. They finally arrived at the Hanoi Hilton. Cobeil was still alive.

Dutton never saw him again but only heard him. Both were tortured continuously and on the fifth day Dutton heard Glen scream his name and then he heard the sounds of them beating and clubbing Cobeil.

When George Day arrived at the Zoo on April 30, 1968, and met his interrogators, one of the Cubans had already pounded Earl Cobiel out of his senses. Interrogators, returnees said, had taken a rusty nail and carved a bloody X across his back.

Day recalls, "a young g**k, whose name escapes me, and two other beaters beat him all night. They brought him out after a fourteen or fifteen-hour session, and he obviously didn't have a clue as to what was going on. He was totally bewildered and he never came unbewildered.

"The gooks kept thinking he was putting on, so they would keep torturing him. The crowning blow came when one of the guards some people called Goose struck him across the face with a fan belt under his eye, and the eyeball popped out. The guy never flinched, and that was the first time the go*ks finally got the picture that maybe they'd scrambled his brains."

"It sounds so savage you have trouble picturing it."
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 12:06 pm
Posted by OBReb6
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:06 pm to
Jeezmus
Posted by Chuker
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:12 pm to
Is this the same Fidel that Trudeau said nice things about?
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:42 pm to
Good stuff.

And yet our young people are still taught in our public schools that the USA was the bad guy in Vietnam.

Way to go, USA.

Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:59 pm to
The North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong were pure blood-thirsty evil. Ask virtually any Vietnamese-American above 55 about that. We had the Mai Lai atrocity. They had DAILY Mai Lai atrocities.

Regardless, Cuba is the topic. Castro has American blood on his hands. A lot of people don't know that.
Posted by bubba68
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:10 pm to
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Is this the same Fidel that Trudeau said nice things about?


I keep waiting for Comandante Obama to order the flags on federal buildings flown at Half Staff.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:18 pm to
Let's not forget the Cuban adventures in Angola, where no doubt similar incidents occurred.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:09 pm to
Well, now that Vietnam needs the USA for protection against China, maybe the USA ought to demand the names of all Cubans who went to North Vietnam and tell us about their duties.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:17 pm to
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Well, now that Vietnam needs the USA for protection against China


North Vietnam?
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:43 pm to
Eh, I'm a trump supporter and don't care for those Americans that were captured during war, so this isn't a big deal to trumpkins ...

Posted by sugar71
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:50 pm to
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Let's not forget the Cuban adventures in Angola, where no doubt similar incidents occurred.



Angola, South Africa & Namibia where Castro is a hero?


Where Cuban troops helped defeat an Apartheid backed regime, repel South African troops from Namibia which insured there independence?

Help train/fund ANC freedom fighters like Mandela in South Africa.


Fidel Castro is beloved/respected in those parts.

Keep whistling in the wind.


HERO.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:55 pm to
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Help train/fund ANC freedom fighters like Mandela in South Africa.


Exporting Communist revolution to the African continent.

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Let's not forget the Cuban adventures in Angola, where no doubt similar incidents occurred.


So you're telling me there were NO Cuban torturers in Africa?
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:07 pm to
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North Vietnam?


No such nation exists today here on Earth, dude.

Vietnam exists. Not North Vietnam. Not South Vietnam.
Posted by joshnorris14
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:17 pm to
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Where Cuban troops helped defeat an Apartheid backed regime, repel South African troops from Namibia which insured there independence?


You realize South African Blacks were better off during Apartheid than their current system correct?

Unless you prefer dying younger, poorer, and HIV-ridden because your rapist hates condoms
Posted by patnuh
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:25 pm to
Are you fricking serious? I know the answer. Jesus.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:28 pm to
Maybe Sugar71 would like to tell us of the glorious Cuban assistance in the thousands of executions following the 1977 demonstrations.

We'll wait.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:07 pm to
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Fidel Castro is beloved/respected in those parts.


Yeah, so was the guy that kept your Granddaddy in a cage in Neshoba County. In those parts. Tyrants, murderers, dictators etc always get mad RESPEK from the people around them. Everybody else is dead or in a cage.

Oh, and frick you.

Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:32 pm to
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Oh, and frick you.


Solid, well-deserved response.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
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37538 posts
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:43 pm to
and F U to all of those who thought Obama's statement on Castro's death was OK.

Trump, Pence, Cruz and Rubio got it right. No pity for the Castros but we'll glady extend a hand to the Cuban public in their efforts for democracy.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112682 posts
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:49 pm to
It's scary that a sizable portion of the American populace would openly revere this POS if they could. I hope he suffered.
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