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re: Lost Emails...this time Obama's EPA...
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:25 am to roygu
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:25 am to roygu
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Are you saying that Holder has not set the pattern for such behavior? The Justice Dept., controlled by Obama, could put a stop to such practices. Name one scandal that has been investigated by the Obama/Holder JP.
This!!! ...additionally, it seems strange that when these leftist, progressive actions are taken...they are not investigated...yet when anything even remotely associated with the conservatives happens...THE FULL FORCE OF THE FED LANDS ON THEM WITH BOTH FEET!!!
Wake the frick up America!!!
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:35 am to Jim Ignatowski
If the Obama years has taught us anything, it's the lack of any kind of accountability within the federal government.
Hey Republicans, if you want to run on something then run on how ridiculous this government has been on accountability. Go after Holder, the IRS, Immigration, and the VA.
Tie this into the overreach of the Executive Powers. Show the Supreme Court slapping the President down 10 times. Hit them on breaking their own laws in ObamaCare.
Hey Republicans, if you want to run on something then run on how ridiculous this government has been on accountability. Go after Holder, the IRS, Immigration, and the VA.
Tie this into the overreach of the Executive Powers. Show the Supreme Court slapping the President down 10 times. Hit them on breaking their own laws in ObamaCare.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:38 am to Jim Ignatowski
Not only can they not find the emails, now they can't find the person who wrote them? He's just turned up missing?
I hope we're not dealing with a situation where would-be snitches are getting preemptive stitches and winding up in ditches.
I hope we're not dealing with a situation where would-be snitches are getting preemptive stitches and winding up in ditches.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:39 am to Jim Ignatowski
Phoney scandal. Republicans playing politics.
EPA being witchhunt.
EPA being witchhunt.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:45 am to constant cough
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Phoney scandal. Republicans playing politics.
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EPA being witchhunt.
....As Sheldon Cooper would say..."Is that sarcasm?"
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:46 am to Jim Ignatowski
The EPA is more corrupt than the IRS.....maybe. LINK
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Windsor.Richard@epa.gov was the controversial email alias used by former Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson, who resigned earlier this year amid questions about whether epa-using-instant-messages-avoid-s/?page=all”>her agency was complying with open-records laws.
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suggests Ms. Jackson used the alias even more widely than known, including taking required agency computer training under the fake identity. EPA officials say there’s nothing unusual in that, since Ms. Jackson used the alternate address regularly to conduct agency business. Read more: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/2/newly-released-emails-show-epa-directors-extensive/#ixzz38Un3R9tB Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:42 am to TOKEN
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If the Obama years has taught us anything, it's the lack of any kind of accountability within the federal government.
this is not entirely true. As ive stated, accountability has long been a problem in the Fed Gov due to the job security inherent in federal employment. People feel they can get away with anything and still keep their jobs. This is not unique to Obama.
As the gov grows, more layers and beaurocracy are added, the worse this will get.
If these acts are in fact criminal, i would expect individuals to be prosecuted, which needs to happen w/VA, but is a lot less clear in the IRS.
But there is a much larger problem with accountability where there is no "criminal" act, yet taxpayers ultimately are paying for an incredibly ineffecient and ineffective government.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 11:44 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:43 am to BobBoucher
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As the gov grows, more layers and beaurocracy are added, the worse this will get.
well then we should drastically shrink government, right?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:50 am to BobBoucher
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there's zero accountability in the federal government. Its the culture. Been that way for a long time.
Hope and Change.
My arse.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:52 am to constant cough
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Phoney scandal. Republicans playing politics.
EPA being witchhunt.
Lots of acquistions.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:59 am to CptBengal
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well then we should drastically shrink government, right?
not drastically, but yes. Most people have no clue what the government does and think most of it is useless (its not).
When a company has to tighten its budget, they typically kill off less valuable/profitable divisions of the company and barely touch the valuable and profitable ones.
Unlike the private sector, when the government has a budget reduction, they slash 15% (or whatever) off of all programs in an agency across the board, instead of shutting down less valuable programs (which would mean cutting loose federal employees, which again is very tough due to job security, as well as unpopular).
Basically the Fed Gov takes money off the top of everything instead of trimming the fat from the edges.
So the result is ALL programs suffer, even successful ones and we end up with a less efficient and effective government.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:03 pm to BobBoucher
quote:I'm sorry, but violations of agency policies designed to comply with laws should be grounds for dismissal. Maintaining records of what the government is doing to implement and/or execute the laws that apply to the people is of paramount importance. Neglect in maintaining those records is neglect for the law, and should not be tolerated.
It has to do with the protections afforded the federal worker - OPM. Its nearlyt impossible to punish or fire a federal worker what with grievances and all. Most managers dont want to even deal with it.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:07 pm to Poodlebrain
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Neglect in maintaining those records is neglect for the law, and should not be tolerated.
and is a fireable offense in most places - agreed? but no one will be fired for not complying with records retention policies. Or id be shocked if it happens.
Again, its the employment system in the federal gov that is to blame. A private sector company would just drop the axe on someone. In the federal government, you have to basically prove the employee has been coached on not meeting requirements, and document their inability and unwillingness to comply befor you can even begin the process to dismiss. Then the employee can file a grievance against the managers stating that they are being singled out becuase [insert any myriad of reasons] and the process comes to a grinding halt as the grievance is investigated. And grievenaces can kill a managers career, so most managers avoid making those tough decisions.
It would literally take an act of congeress to circum navigate that screwed up process.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:19 pm to Jim Ignatowski
Liberalism is .... It's not my fault.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:27 pm to Jim Ignatowski
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This story has to get old at some point.
It has.
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Fight heats up over EPA sabotage of Alaska gold mine
You're in luck! The period for public comments is not over. You can go here:
LINK
and tell the EPA how much you hate salmon and nature and how big business and pollution is awesome.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:28 pm to SpidermanTUba
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and tell the EPA how much you hate salmon and nature and how big business and pollution is awesome.
Jesus, you cant even name the correct regulatory agency in your idiotic diatribe.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 1:06 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Fight heats up over EPA sabotage of Alaska gold mine You're in luck! The period for public comments is not over. You can go here: LINK and tell the EPA how much you hate salmon and nature and how big business and pollution is awesome.
.....won't do any good. Talking to a liberal or a liberal run organization is like putting your hand in a meat grinder. It causes you a lot of pain....leaves a permanent scar....and in the end, leaves you with nothing but regret for wasting your frickin' time.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 1:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the idiots in the administration and the EPA take some form of physical action to prevent the mine construction, only to somehow begin killing off the salmon in the process.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 1:53 pm to Jim Ignatowski
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.....won't do any good.
And complaining here will? You shouldn't give up so easily in your fight against clean air, clean water, and salmon!
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Talking to a liberal or a liberal run organization is like putting your hand in a meat grinder. It causes you a lot of pain....leaves a permanent scar....and in the end, leaves you with nothing but regret for wasting your frickin' time.
The EPA - established by President Nixon - is run by the U.S. Government, not a "liberal run organization". The Clean Air and Water Act has been enforced under all Presidents, R & D. Surprisingly - the EPA doesn't just give you a pass to pollute when R's are in office!
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 1:55 pm to Rickety Cricket
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the idiots in the administration and the EPA take some form of physical action to prevent the mine construction,
I would think that opening a mine where your net profit will be negative after all the fines would not be a good business decision.
So sorry, I doubt you'll get what you want (open flouting of our nation's environmental protection laws).
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only to somehow begin killing off the salmon in the process.
That is certainly the narrative FOX News would like to have for you.
Here's the real one:
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EPA estimated that up to 94 miles “of salmon-supporting streams and 1,300 to 5,350 acres of wetlands, ponds, and lakes” would be erased by the footprint of a mining pit, depending on its size.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 2:01 pm
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