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re: Loss of Antarctic ice has caused a measurable shift in gravity

Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:00 pm to
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its convection in the Earth's mantle that caused that! He doesn't have any evidence
He doesn't have any evidence that shifts in Earth's mantle affect gravitational fields? Really?

You know what TUba, I'd bet he actually does.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:03 pm to
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What effect would nonpolar tectonic shifts have on that field?
Over the course of only a few years, I would guess... very little? Even compared to the very little change due to ice melting?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:04 pm to
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He doesn't have any evidence that shifts in Earth's mantle affect gravitational fields? Really?


No, MORON

He doesn't have any evidence that shifts in the Earth's mantle caused THIS PARTICULAR SHIFT detected in Antarctica at the same places where it is losing ice and with field changes that just happen to be consistent with that ice loss.



My frick. The mere fact that mantle convection CAN cause the Earth's gravity to shift doesn't mean it HAS in this particular case. You seriously are this stupid, aren't you?

This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:05 pm to
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He doesn't have any evidence that shifts in the Earth's mantle caused THIS PARTICULAR SHIFT detected in Antarctica at the same places where it is losing ice and with field changes that just happen to be consistent with that ice loss.


FACT: Thhe mantle is ALWAYS convecting.

Seriously, how stupid are you? Were you even accepted in graduate school?

No you werent. You're a field tech for the Coastal Studies Institute.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:06 pm to
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FACT: Thhe mantle is ALWAYS convecting.



FACT: You still don't have any evidence that shifts in the Earth's mantle caused THIS PARTICULAR SHIFT detected in Antarctica at the same places where it is losing ice and with field changes that just happen to be consistent with that ice loss.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:09 pm to
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He doesn't have any evidence that shifts in Earth's mantle affect gravitational fields? Really?

You know what TUba, I'd bet he actually does.

I think he meant that there is no evidence that shifts in the mantle altered the field at the pole in precisely the same location and of the same amount that the lost ice would cause.


edit: oops too late
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 1:11 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:12 pm to
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No, MORON




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He doesn't have any evidence that shifts in the Earth's mantle caused THIS PARTICULAR SHIFT
It isn't for him to prove that. He only has to establish the possibility was unaccounted for. Was it . . . . . unaccounted for?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:14 pm to
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edit: oops too late
Indeed
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:15 pm to
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It isn't for him to prove that.

Obviously.

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He only has to establish the possibility was unaccounted for. Was it . . . . . unaccounted for?


Yeah I'm sure scientists who study Earth's gravitational field have no clue that the Earth's mantle has gravity.







The Earth's mantle just happened to move in precisely the right manner to cause a loss in gravity at the exact same location of ice loss and completely consistent with that ice loss...meanwhile what the frick happened to the ice's gravity? Did it just disappear from the equation?

That's plausible!

This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:23 pm to
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Indeed

I have a bad habit of opening several reply tabs and then going through them after reading to the end of the thread. By the time I finish writing, the end of the thread ain't the end anymore.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:29 pm to
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meanwhile what the frick happened to the ice's gravity? Did it just disappear from the equation?

That's plausible!


Cpt tried to argue that isostasy would make it impossible to measure the gravitational change due to ice loss. Nevermind that the change was measured over the course of only 3 years, but some areas of the earth are still rebounding toward equilibrium since the last ice age.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:40 pm to
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Yeah I'm sure
Fur sure?
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scientists who study Earth's gravitational field have no clue that the Earth's mantle has gravity.
Fur real sure?

Well Spidy, just link CptBengal to the statistical control data. No need to jow-wow. Stick to the facts. That's how real science works. Who knows, you could actually be right. So is there a possibility the measurements were influenced by other factors?
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at the exact same location of ice loss and completely consistent with that ice loss...
The volume of polar ice (not WAIS) loss/gain remains in dispute, as does its distribution.
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 2:22 pm to
I noticed that.

My left nuts been hanging a little low.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 2:29 pm to
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I noticed that.

My left nuts been hanging a little low.







You've got bigger problems, more than one left nut for starters.
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 2:31 pm to
I'm literally floating around my house right now.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 2:31 pm to
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You've got bigger problems, more than one left nut for starters.
And they're liberals
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:46 pm to
BUT WhAT SHOULD GRAVITY BE!!!
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 5:11 am to
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BUT WhAT SHOULD GRAVITY BE!!!
Don't know if you are joking or not, but to claim there has been change, one must first know what the baseline is. It's a basic sort of premise in science.

Kind of like a nurse running a patient on a treadmill to the point of exhaustion, taking his temperature, then reporting his symptoms as very fatigued and highly febrile. Without knowing the rest of the story, those symptoms imply need for urgent medical intervention.
Posted by Zahrim
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 5:36 am to
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CptBengal is actually the most well informed moron in the world.


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...but...but CptBengal says its convection in the Earth's mantle that caused that! He doesn't have any evidence, but he's a well informed moron!



this is when you know the liberal has lost the argument, they resort to name calling.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:52 am to
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but some areas of the earth are still rebounding toward equilibrium since the last ice age.


Yeah but at a fast enough rate to cause a shift of tens of mGal/yr?

This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 7:59 am
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