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Lightning storms triggered by exhaust from cargo ships

Posted on 9/21/17 at 8:56 pm
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 8:56 pm
Practical example where humans clearly alter the climate

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When Joel Thornton at the University of Washington in Seattle and his colleagues looked at records of lightning strikes between 2005 and 2016 from the World Wide Lightning Location Network, they noticed there were significantly more strikes in certain regions of the east Indian Ocean and the South China Sea, compared with the surrounding areas. Unusually, they occurred along two straight lines in the open ocean, which coincided with two of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. Along these paths there were twice as many lightning strikes as in nearby areas.

“We were quite sure the ships had to be involved,” says Thornton. But they still had to eliminate other factors that influence storm intensity, such as wind speeds and temperatures.

Once these had been ruled out, the team concluded that aerosols from the ships’ engine exhausts were the culprit. Aerosol particles act as seeds, around which water vapour condenses into cloud droplets. In clean air there aren’t many seeds, so the cloud drops quickly grow and fall as rain.

But when there are a lot of seeds, like over busy shipping routes, a greater number of small cloud drops form. Since these are light, they rise up high into the atmosphere and freeze, creating clouds rich in ice.

It is this that leads to more intense thunderstorms: lightning only occurs if clouds are electrically charged, and this only happens if there are lots of ice crystals.

A key giveaway that aerosols were behind the effect was that the lightning was most pronounced at times of the year when powerful atmospheric convection currents form that can carry the aerosol particles high into the sky (Geophysical Research Letters, doi.org/cc7b).

Although lightning activity is higher over the shipping lanes, the amount of rainfall is no different to nearby regions.

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Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139780 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 8:58 pm to
Why the lol emoticon? It's usually to indicate something was funny.

Ban shipping?

See. Globalism is awful for the environment.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 9:00 pm
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:02 pm to
quote:


See. Globalism is awful for the environment.


You just mindfricked him.
Posted by umop_apisdn
Member since Sep 2017
3673 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:02 pm to
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Although lightning activity is higher over the shipping lanes, the amount of rainfall is no different to nearby regions.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34937 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:06 pm to
When volcanoes erupt, sometimes lightning storms pop up in the ash clouds.

This is a practical example where mother nature clearly alters the climate.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 9:07 pm
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:09 pm to
quote:

When volcanoes erupt, sometimes lightning storms pop up in the ash clouds.

This is a practical example where mother nature clearly alters the climate.


Yes... so?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:10 pm to
quote:


See. Globalism is awful for the environment


This is 100% true.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:10 pm to
quote:

Although lightning activity is higher over the shipping lanes, the amount of rainfall is no different to nearby regions.


or maybe the large metal ships with propellers creating friction and static electricity act as lightning rods...


nah....had to be some other insane scenario which is much more complicated
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34937 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:10 pm to
Ditto, mon frere.

quote:

Although lightning activity is higher over the shipping lanes, the amount of rainfall is no different to nearby regions.


Yes.... So?

This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 9:11 pm
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

Although lightning activity is higher over the shipping lanes, the amount of rainfall is no different to nearby regions.


And?
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
9298 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:12 pm to
Lightning isn't "the climate"

That's literally just a larger version of you rubbing your furry costume then touching a door knob and getting shocked.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

Why the lol emoticon? It's usually to indicate something was funny.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139780 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:27 pm to
You noticed the poor usage of too.
Posted by AtticusOSullivan
Member since Mar 2016
2250 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:31 pm to
quote:

Lightning isn't "the climate"

That's literally just a larger version of you rubbing your furry costume then touching a door knob and getting shocked


... no
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:34 pm to
quote:

or maybe the large metal ships with propellers creating friction and static electricity act as lightning rods...

nah....had to be some other insane scenario which is much more complicated


Ice crystals forming around aerosol particles is hardly an insane scenario
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 9:36 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27812 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:40 pm to
So, It had nothing to do,with lightning naturally striking the highest thing around?
Pretty sure that would be the exhaust,or mast of a ship at sea. What the hell else is it going to strike?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139780 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:46 pm to
I do have a question. How did this man made lightening alter the CLIMATE?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:47 pm to
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Ice crystals forming around aerosol particles is hardly an insane scenario


so you're also telling me there are no winds here?

that these updrafts and ice crystal formation are immune from the global wind patterns in the upper atmosphere? They form and stay DIRECTLY ABOVE the shipping lanes and dont move?

Seriously, are you retarded?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:56 pm to
quote:


so you're also telling me there are no winds here?

that these updrafts and ice crystal formation are immune from the global wind patterns in the upper atmosphere? They form and stay DIRECTLY ABOVE the shipping lanes and dont move?

Seriously, are you retarded?


You disagree with the researchers conclusion?

"A key giveaway that aerosols were behind the effect was that the lightning was most pronounced at times of the year when powerful atmospheric convection currents form that can carry the aerosol particles high into the sky (Geophysical Research Letters, doi.org/cc7b)."

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