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Liberal Economics on Full Display in Philadelphia

Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:46 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:46 pm
Philly mayor blames price increases on "price gouging" and not his tax increase

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Mayor Jim Kenney, who proposed the soda tax and championed its passage through city council last year, told reporters on Tuesday it's not the new 1.5-cents-per-ounce tax that's making it more expensive to buy a can of Coke in Philly. No, according to the mayor, those higher prices are caused by city businesses price gouging their customers in order to stir up opposition to the tax.

"They're gouging their own customers," Kenney said, KYW News reports.


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To understand Kenney's reasoning, you have to know that the new tax technically is applied at the wholesale level. That is, the city is charging a tax on the transaction that takes place when a business, like a sandwich shop or grocery store, purchases soda (or the syrup used to make soda in a fountain) from a distributor. In the mayor's mind, it seems, distributors and retailers are supposed to eat the cost of the tax and continue selling their products at the same price as before the tax went into effect.

In the real world, those sandwich shops and grocery stores, of course, are adjusting the retail price of sugary drinks to make up for the added cost imposed by the tax. Some of them have posted signs to inform customers why drink prices have skyrocketed.

Kenney doesn't like that. He called those efforts "wrong" and "misleading" and suggested that it could be an extension of the expensive fight put up by soda companies, retailers, and even the city's Teamsters Union in a failing effort to prevent the tax from passing in the first place.
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:48 pm to
I'm speechless.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:49 pm to
Not enough information. How many drinks does the 5 gallon box of syrup make? And how much did he actually raise the price of drinks? It certainly wouldn't be the first time that retailers, when faced with the necessity of raising prices to cover increased costs, built in a little extra profit.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:51 pm to
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The distributors sells five-gallon boxes of syrup that can be used in soda fountains, and each box costs a retailer about $60. Thanks to the city's new tax, though, retailers have to pay $57.60 in taxes for each of those boxes of syrup.


i imagine a 100% tax will lead to prices increasing a bit

there's a link inside that leads to this story

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When it was passed last year, Philadelphia became the largest city in the nation to create a specific tax for soda and sugary beverages, a policy that had previously been contained to progressive enclaves like Berkeley, California. The tax is levied at a rate of 1.5 cents per ounce, which makes it 24 times more expensive than Pennsylvania's taxes on beer.

Practically, that means that some drinks end up being nearly twice as expensive after the tax is applied, turning $2 sodas into $4 sodas.


Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:52 pm to
This is an example of why our leaders should have accomplishments before taking office. Career politicians can't even understand basic business.

Or this is just an example of someone that is very dishonest.
Posted by crap4brain
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

it's not the new 1.5-cents-per-ounce tax that's making it more expensive to buy a can of Coke in Philly. No, according to the mayor, those higher prices are caused by city businesses price gouging their customers in order to stir up opposition to the tax.


Solid reasoning. Can't argue with that logic.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:54 pm to
Don't get me wrong...I think it's a stupid tax.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Not enough information. How many drinks does the 5 gallon box of syrup make? And how much did he actually raise the price of drinks? It certainly wouldn't be the first time that retailers, when faced with the necessity of raising prices to cover increased costs, built in a little extra profit.



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Just one 5-gallon box of syrup makes about 3,840 ounces of soda or 192 20-ounce cups. Depending on whether it's his own label or a national brand like Coca-Cola, Pincus charges anywhere from $60 to $90 per box.

But now, every time he sells one to a customer in Philadelphia, Pincus owes the city $57.60 in taxes.

"We're not talking about a couple of bucks on a $60 item," he said. "We're talking about $57.60 on a $60 item. It's too big not to pass on."

Pincus explains it this way: For every 5-gallon box of syrup he sells, he says he makes between $3 and $18 in gross profit — that's the price he sells it for minus the cost he pays the manufacturer. Out of that, Pincus has to pay his delivery truck drivers, buy gas for the truck and cover other costs of doing business. That means he can't afford to absorb the tax himself.

But some of his customers were not happy when they got their new bills last week.

"They started yelling at my drivers as if they have something to do with it," Pincus said. "Customers telling them, 'This isn't right. This can't be right,' as if we're making a mistake."

Others are simply passing the full cost of the tax along to their customers.

Alan Giannone runs a catering business and restaurant in Northeast Philadelphia, and, every month, he buys eight of those big syrup boxes for his soda fountain. Now, those boxes will cost him more than $400 extra every month.

Starting Saturday, the price of a glass of soda at Giannone's Village Restaurant went up 30 cents to $2.95.

"Twenty ounces costs me 30 cents extra," he said. "I'm only charging what they're charging me."
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:56 pm to
I'm not sure I have ever met a liberal who understands anything about economics that wasn't laid out by Marx or Keynes.

They don't realize it when Adam Smith's invisible hand gives them a pimp slap.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:12 pm to
Maybe Philly will start drinking less coke... and they'll be healthier as a result
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:12 pm to
with your average progressive, their main issue is that they don't anticipate behaviors changing

just like here...ok we tax the distributors, that way the consumer won't feel it like it's a sales tax. the only people hurt by this are the sellers of the liquid poison...who then raise prices (some even list it as a tax) and they're like OH NO THEY DIDN'T! THEY CAN'T DO THAT!

that's why shame and guilt are pillars of their strategy. this is how they try to control people into not changing
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

To understand Kenney's reasoning, you have to know that the new tax technically is applied at the wholesale level. That is, the city is charging a tax on the transaction that takes place when a business, like a sandwich shop or grocery store, purchases soda (or the syrup used to make soda in a fountain) from a distributor. In the mayor's mind, it seems, distributors and retailers are supposed to eat the cost of the tax and continue selling their products at the same price as before the tax went into effect.

They are so out of touch with reality that they didn't think these businesses would pass along the cost to the consumers. I wonder how many minority-owned small businesses are feeling the crunch from the tax increase?
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13498 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:24 pm to
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Maybe Philly will start drinking less coke... and they'll be healthier as a result

More likely organized crime will start smuggling it in, or soft drink drinkers will vote the economic morons out of office.

On a personal note: do you see the government as your mommy and daddy?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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422603 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:26 pm to
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More likely organized crime will start smuggling it in, or soft drink drinkers will vote the economic morons out of office.

Reason did an article on this a few days ago where people are using social media to find every convenience store located JUST outside of the reach of this law to tell people to buy their cokes there
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:27 pm to
It's amazing they can't figure these things out. Typically a store might have a 15% mark up on sodas and if the cost of the soda goes up, so does the price. Shewww that was difficult.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47655 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

Reason did an article on this a few days ago where people are using social media to find every convenience store located JUST outside of the reach of this law to tell people to buy their cokes there
Progressives' next challenge... find a way to change and otherwise make antiquated political boundaries meaningless.

Our county and city lines were made before the automobile era, and help perpetuate racial and economic divides
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:39 pm to
It's asinine logic. Unfortunately it's too often on full display in the tarrif discussions on here as well.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422603 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:41 pm to
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full display in the tarrif discussions on here as well.

for sure
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:56 pm to
Good grief bro, is there a liberal mantra you won't parrot?

Should your name be Unmarked-Borderless-Pseudo-Municipality-Owl?
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:00 pm to
Attempting to engage with the left and their literally stupid voters is pointless.

We have to outbreed them.
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