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Lets talk about the real issue in healthcare...Costs
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:37 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:37 am
It doesn't matter if Obamacare remains in place or if Trumpcare is passed. Insurance rates won't down until healthcare costs go down.
Both ends need to be controlled if everyone is to receive quality healthcare.
Both ends need to be controlled if everyone is to receive quality healthcare.
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:38 am to boogiewoogie1978
I was told that costs were going to go down because of ACA. That didn't happen.
Now you are concerned about costs?
Now you are concerned about costs?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:41 am to boogiewoogie1978
I agree. Healthcare spending was about 18% of GDP in 2015 though. You can't do anything too drastic without affecting the economy.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:43 am to boogiewoogie1978
quote:
Lets talk about the real issue in healthcare.
The ability of the government to force me to buy a product (any and all products) is a huge issue for me. There can be no liberty with this government power!
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:45 am to roadGator
quote:where did you read that in the OP? It's a rhetorical question.
Now you are concerned about costs?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:45 am to boogiewoogie1978
Name another industry where you receive services or goods without knowing the cost? That one fix would go along way IMO.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:47 am to Gaspergou202
quote:
The ability of the government to force me to buy a product (any and all products) is a huge issue for me. There can be no liberty with this government power!
This has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Why do BOTH parties only concentrate on health insurance costs, rather than the actual costs of healthcare? It's stupid.
Of course we know the answer, the ONLY way healthcare costs come done is to reform tort laws so that doctors malpractice insurance rates come down so that they can work cheaper.
Lawyers don't want that to happen. Would cost them money. We elect lawyers to office, and thus they protect themselves.
Stop electing lawyers.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:47 am to boogiewoogie1978
quote:
Lets talk about the real issue in healthcare...Costs
Let's talk about the real issue in healthcare... fat people.
And the food we eat isn't allowed to be sold in lots of countries across the world because their studies show it is too poisonous for consumption with shite like glysophate.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:49 am to TrebleHook
Advancements in healthcare are great and have given so many people more time with their loved ones, but they are beginning to bankrupt this country. I mean, in the past, if someone had a heart attack, then they probably died. Now, they have open heart surgeries, super long hospital stays, pacemakers, and then a lifetime of expensive medication. All that adds up to a lot of money.
Now, I don't see there being any solution to this expense issue other than death panels...which I am 100% against. This just isn't a problem that is going to go away. It will likely continue to get worse as advancements in medicine increase life expectancy and the ability of very sick people to survive for long periods of time.
Now, I don't see there being any solution to this expense issue other than death panels...which I am 100% against. This just isn't a problem that is going to go away. It will likely continue to get worse as advancements in medicine increase life expectancy and the ability of very sick people to survive for long periods of time.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:52 am to boogiewoogie1978
The issue is EMTALA. Anyone who shows up at an ER has to be treated no matter what, even if they don't have an emergency, even if they don't have insurance, even if they have no ability to pay. The problem is the ER is the most expensive possible place for them to recieve care. We need to amend EMTALA to give hospitals greater ability to screen people who show up at the ER and tell those without an emergency to take a hike. The hospitals have to eat the cost, so they jack up the costs of all of their other paid services in order to cover the difference. Insurance passes the costs onto the premium payer. All healthcare reform does is just shuffle who pays in the end, not address the fundamental issue that drives costs ever skyward.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:53 am to boogiewoogie1978
get the government out of healthcare
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:54 am to boogiewoogie1978
quote:
It doesn't matter if Obamacare remains in place or if Trumpcare is passed. Insurance rates won't down until healthcare costs go down.
Somewhat correct.
quote:
Both ends need to be controlled
By who?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:01 am to BACONisMEATcandy
quote:fricking this!
Name another industry where you receive services or goods without knowing the cost?
It's such a fricking scam.
Patient: "How much will this procedure cost?"
Hospital: "Well it depends. Do you have insurance?"
Patient: "Yes."
Hospital: "Well then, we'll charge as much as possible. We'll even charge for things we won't do or supplies we won't use. We have to make up for the people who don't pay anything. You'll probably have to pay a couple grand out of pocket and your insurance will cover the rest."
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:06 am to bhtigerfan
Exactly, due to insurance, like the billable hour in defense firms, the hospital has an incentive to be as inneficient and fraudulent as possible.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:13 am to boogiewoogie1978
Drives me crazy that people keep talking about insurance premiums and number of people insured.
Yea.... so fricking what?
Insurance is nothing more than a funding mechanism to pay for healthcare costs.
Our government (both sides) has so dishonestly framed this debate about premiums because that's all the end user sees. But it's pretty irrelevant to the overall conversation
Yea.... so fricking what?
Insurance is nothing more than a funding mechanism to pay for healthcare costs.
Our government (both sides) has so dishonestly framed this debate about premiums because that's all the end user sees. But it's pretty irrelevant to the overall conversation
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:15 am to bhtigerfan
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Well then, we'll charge as much as possible. We'll even charge for things we won't do or supplies we won't use. We have to make up for the people who don't pay anything. You'll probably have to pay a couple grand out of pocket and your insurance will cover the rest."
Um, this isn't how it works.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:16 am to Mr.Perfect
quote:Yep.
Insurance is nothing more than a funding mechanism to pay for healthcare costs.
Our government (both sides) has so dishonestly framed this debate about premiums because that's all the end user sees. But it's pretty irrelevant to the overall conversation
Pretty much the same thing with college loans.
No one talks about the insane increases in tuitions and how to lower it. It's all about how to pay for it.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:17 am to boogiewoogie1978
The number one driver of rising private medical costs is underpayments by Medicare and Medicaid.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:17 am to roadGator
quote:You're saying that hospitals don't inflate the costs to insured patients to cover the losses of uninsured?
Um, this isn't how it works.
That's what I've been told.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:18 am to bhtigerfan
quote:
I was told that costs were going to go down because of ACA. That didn't happen.
They did go up.
You see some terribly written statistically invalid fluff pieces on how they didn't "go up as much" but they're garbage.
People with agendas fail to take in inflation rates, wage growth statistics and host of other factors and attempt to compare apples and oranges.
It works if you don't know what you're talking about.
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