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re: Las Vegas shooter's father, 'Bingo Bruce,' lived colorful life of crime and deception

Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by LSU Patrick
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:33 pm to
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Are you deliberately conflating clinical criminal insanity with "mental illness"?


No. Read my other post for the distinction I ma making. The legal definition of insanity is another matter altogether. BTW, I currently work on a forensic unit.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:34 pm to
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I'm a psychologist who works at a state psychiatric hospital.


Thank you for doing the Lord's work. Seriously.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:36 pm to
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I currently work on a forensic unit.


I accept your credentials. I'm still missing your point.

I'm willing to admit it may be over my head. Although, what little I've had to delve into DSM classifications and their ever changing nature, tells me that such definitive type statements are not always so hard and fast.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:37 pm to
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This guy wasn't in prison, you know.


Yes, but his father was, and that is who this thread is about. I was responding to the post that suggested that the shooter has a genetic predisposition to mental illness based on the father's history.

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The 6-foot-4, 245-pound Paddock was convicted and slapped with a 20-year prison sentence, but the lengthy jail term was cut short when he busted out of a federal prison in Texas in 1969, the Eugene Register-Guard reported.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:38 pm to
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Thank you for doping the Lord's work. Seriously.


I'm not a psychiatrist, but thanks for displaying your ignorance.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:38 pm to
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Yes, but his father was, and that is who this thread is about. I was responding to the post that suggested that the shooter has a genetic predisposition to mental illness based on the father's history.



Well, that clarifies it. I thought you were referring to the shooter.
Posted by kcon70
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:39 pm to
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LSU Patrick


Is there a DSM code for “psychopath with suicidal ideation”? Surely, there is.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:39 pm to
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I'm not a psychiatrist, but thanks for displaying your ignorance.


Well, dick, that was a fricking typo.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101474 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:40 pm to
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I'm not a psychiatrist, but thanks for displaying your ignorance.


Well, dick, that was a fricking typo.


I couldn't tell if that was some sort of odd misplaced joke or if he was being serious.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:42 pm to
UT Tower shooter Charles Whitman had a brain tumor, you never know, a psycho that stopped taking his meds....anything
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73512 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:43 pm to
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Well, that clarifies it. I thought you were referring to the shooter.


We don't know enough about the shooter yet, but I doubt a clear history of mental illness is discovered.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73512 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:45 pm to
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UT Tower shooter Charles Whitman had a brain tumor


It's possible, but I doubt it. This shooting was much more calculated and planned in advance.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101474 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:45 pm to
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We don't know enough about the shooter yet, but I doubt a clear history of mental illness is discovered.



Yeah, probably not. I don't know that such necessarily means, or even leads to the reasonable conclusion, that he wasn't mentally ill, though.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34114 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:52 pm to
IIRC, the Howard Johnson's sniper also was discharged from the military for being a psycho.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73512 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:57 pm to
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Is there a DSM code for “psychopath with suicidal ideation”? Surely, there is.


No. The closest thing would be Antisocial Personality Disorder. Although there is a code for that, it is not considered a mental illness by itself. Sometimes, it is a secondary diagnosis.

Suicidal ideation is not a mental illness either. Lots of people think of suicide at some point in their lives but don't act on it. Actual self mutilation or suicide attempts are entirely different and are highly correlated with Borderline Personality Disorder and Mood or Psychotic Disorders. Had this been the case with Bruce, a formal diagnosis would have been made (i.e. Major Depressive Disorder, Severe, Recurrent, Schizoaffective Disorder, Depressive Type, etc.).
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:02 pm to
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Yeah, probably not. I don't know that such necessarily means, or even leads to the reasonable conclusion, that he wasn't mentally ill, though.



I'm just basing this off of his apparent behavior leading up to the incident and the absence of any report of a significant psychiatric treatment history thus far. A person this guy's age would have a documented psychiatric history if he had a major mental illness.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73512 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:21 pm to
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Well, dick, that was a fricking typo


Very sorry, but I'm sure you can see the huge difference between what was conveyed in this context.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:46 pm to
His dad doesn't sound psychopathic though. Just sounds like the typical live larger than life type who gives 0 fricks.

His son is a murdering piece of shite
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:48 pm to
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Psychopath with suicidal tendencies does not equal mental illness.



Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68319 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:52 pm to
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Genetically predisposed to be crazy

We don't know if this shooter was crazy, but given his father's history and now this, sociopathy/antisocial personality does run in families.
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