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Ken Burns documentary on PBS: "The Dust Bowl"

Burns once again does a fantastic job of letting personal stories tell the history.

Politically, I'm struck by the adoration of FDR. Pictures on the wall... when he visits, a rain shower is dubbed "The Roosevelt Rain"... the blaming of Hoover for the economic turmoil. It shows that the Obamanation isn't a new development in American politics. People always look to gov during hard times. Unfortunately, the tab for FDR is just now coming due. I suspect the Obama tab will be much more severe. But, the Dust Bowl episode also reminds me that we have faced much harsher times than these. Our current youngsters have no concept of either need or greed.

I was fascinated by the accounts of static electricity being so strong that peoples' hair tingled, automobiles would shock the hell out of people, and phones were rendered unreliable.

The effects on wildlife, livestock and humans were nothing short of horrific, and it lasted for YEARS. Unbelievable.

Part 2 tomorrow night. Check it out.


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Unfortunately, the tab for FDR is just now coming due. I suspect the Obama tab will be much more severe.


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Those people on the show define tough. I can't imagine watching the livestock slaughter as a kid. I wish, I would have been a couple years older to appreciate and understand my great grandmothers Black Sunday stories.
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Another good one from Burns.

Of course the overriding lesson of the dust bowl is not a popular one here on the poli board.

I was struck by the static electricity stuff too. Those were electrical dust storms. Crazy.


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I love Ken Burns' work , and this sounds really interesting (havent seen it).

Agree that weve had much, much worse times in this country.


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Why do you think people are talking about the shite of Obama falling upon the heads of thier grandchildren? The Piper will demand his due, and we are only watching the initiation of it. Go back forty odd years ago when the "cost" of Medi-Care was first discussed in Congress, then go look at the stats of today.


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PRK
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Exactly. One of Burn's intentions was to show that government has an important role to play in our society-- a somewhat larger role than people on this board would like to admit.


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Of course the overriding lesson of the dust bowl is not a popular one here on the poli board.
Global Warming?


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SilverSpurs13
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Well, Hoover's policy of letting the market work itself out without government intervention didn't seem to work at all. Why would it work today?


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re: Ken Burns documentary on PBS: "The Dust Bowl"
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Politically, I'm struck by the adoration of FDR. Pictures on the wall... when he visits, a rain shower is dubbed "The Roosevelt Rain"... the blaming of Hoover for the economic turmoil. It shows that the Obamanation isn't a new development in American politics. People always look to gov during hard times. Unfortunately, the tab for FDR is just now coming due. I suspect the Obama tab will be much more severe. But, the Dust Bowl episode also reminds me that we have faced much harsher times than these. Our current youngsters have no concept of either need or greed.




I watched it last night, and like you, loved it. Although they didn't delve too much into the irresponsibility of it or the greed, there are were and are quite a few lessons we could learn from it, especially as it pertains to the mindset of farming in general being something that we can just will to do this or that and it not have any ill effects from it.

But like you, I really loved the personal stories. They were very touching.






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One of Burn's intentions was to show that government has an important role to play in our society-- a somewhat larger role than people on this board would like to admit.


But the Federal Government's involvement in the economy in a attempt to "fix" the problems the free market caused created bigger problems.

We should have let it work itself out. No SS, welfare, government cheese, Medicare, Medicaid or Obamacare.


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Those people on the show define tough
Indeed.

And I hate even thinking about how horrible the animal slaughtering must have been.


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But the Federal Government's involvement in the economy in a attempt to "fix" the problems the free market caused created bigger problems.

exactly

short term v. long term

the feds can "fix" problems by plugging holes temporarily (usually via debt), but the incentives created leave a lasting legacy


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re: Ken Burns documentary on PBS: "The Dust Bowl"
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Unfortunately, the tab for FDR is just now coming due.


Look...Social Security was a good thought...and when it was instituted, it was a real life saver for those lucky enough to live until they collect benefits. But vast numbers of people didn't live that long back then.

It's not rocket science...let's not blame FDR for the bill! We have NOT adjusted the benefits age up...as we should have done LONG ago...for modern medicine's ability to extend life spans. Neither side wants to piss off the old...b/c they vote...but to fix SS...we have to raise the age of benefits collection.


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Exactly. FDR could not have predicted a baby boom, which is what is causing the issue with SS. As far as other social welfare programs, they need to be reformed like a motherfricker. Eliminating them is not the answer


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re: Ken Burns documentary on PBS: "The Dust Bowl"
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Exactly. FDR could not have predicted a baby boom, which is what is causing the issue with SS.

a great example of why government shouldn't put itself in this position in the first place. government cannot adjust to the market.

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Eliminating them is not the answer


why not?

(and i mean with a phase out period. not a cold turkey situation)


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re: Ken Burns documentary on PBS: "The Dust Bowl"
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It's not rocket science...let's not blame FDR for the bill! We have NOT adjusted the benefits age up...as we should have done LONG ago...for modern medicine's ability to extend life spans. Neither side wants to piss off the old...b/c they vote...but to fix SS...we have to raise the age of benefits collection.


Yes but if we were doing everything the right way we'd adjust the payments up for true increases in price (not the published inflation stats - my food costs have gone up 30% in the last 3 years for the same exact stuff, for example)


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. As far as other social welfare programs, they need to be reformed like a motherfricker. Eliminating them is not the answer



I'm going to say something as a matter of fact, not political, just fact. We are going to have to make some serious adjustments and changes in mentality as it pertains to both social programs and military if we are ever begin to start paying down on this debt, as well as get those in Washington to live in their budget or go to jail. The ride is over, and we can no longer afford to ignore the debt any longer. It's killing us, and if we don't deal with it now, there won't be a country much longer. I feel the debt we are straddling our kids and their kids with is about the most immoral thing this country has ever done, and we will pay for it one way or the other.



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Well, Hoover's policy of letting the market work itself out without government intervention didn't seem to work at all. Why would it work today?


One word. Bureaucracy. That is all you get from a federal government response. A self-perpetuating bureaucracy. No matter how well intentioned the program, in the end it consumes more resources than it provides. It is not flexible enough (nor does it desire to be) to respond to a changing dynamic. It becomes hidebound and non-responsive.


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Wolfhound45
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re: Ken Burns documentary on PBS: "The Dust Bowl"
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I'm going to say something as a matter of fact, not political, just fact. We are going to have to make some serious adjustments and changes in mentality as it pertains to both social programs and military if we are ever begin to start paying down on this debt, as well as get those in Washington to live in their budget or go to jail. The ride is over, and we can no longer afford to ignore the debt any longer. It's killing us, and if we don't deal with it now, there won't be a country much longer. I feel the debt we are straddling our kids and their kids with is about the most immoral thing this country has ever done, and we will pay for it one way or the other.


Exceptionally well said.



It is time to face facts. We have seen the enemy, and he is us.


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