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re: Jason Riley of the WSJ with 2 doozies this week re: blacks in Chicago
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:38 pm to EthanL
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:38 pm to EthanL
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The gun violence in Chicago erupted about 4-5 years ago. Basically, law enforcement and politicians thought it would be a good idea to start locking up the leaders of all the gangs in Chicago, leaders that were mostly older guys.
Now, two wrongs don't make a right, but, the young and reckless had nobody telling them what to do or how to act. All the old guys were in jail. Four major gangs splintered off into several smaller, 'undisciplined' (if you can believe it) gangs.
Not really. Chicago's violence and murder rates have been falling pretty consistently for twenty years with a notable spike in 2012.
Yes, there have been larger gangs broken up, and that hasn't helped, but it's been offset by the slow dismantling of the huge industrial-style project complexes (Cabrini-Green, Robert Taylor, Ida B Wells, etc) over the last few decades. Chicago actually lost 70,000 African-Americans between 2000 and 2010.
I say that - as a conservative Chicagoan - Rahm has been a hell of a mayor.
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:22 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Conservatives care so much about the breakdown of the black family and yet all they do is wring their hands. They don't offer any solution except that blacks should vote Republican.
Blacks have been voting democrat neolithicly for over 40 years. Where has that gotten them?
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onservatives want to cut spending of social services and education and then they wonder why the black family is in crisis. They somehow blame a ghetto culture that they cannot identify or prove actually exists except ontologically. They imagine a ghetto culture so it thus exists.
But the thing is spending on social services has increased exponentially every year and black crime has gotten equally worse.
Your arguments are actually counter to what you intend.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 12:02 am to Rohan2Reed
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And conservatives have been showing links between single-parent homes and violent crime for decades.
The radical, right wing racist Daniel Patrick Moynihan made the connection back in the mid-60s.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 9:03 am to HonoraryCoonass
You can bet the race hustlers are working overtime right now to shut this guy up. These are legitimate discussions that need to be made in the open forum. Unfortunately screaming racism and threat of "sanctions" can effectively shut it down. Meanwhile Rev Al has a show on MSNBC. He has never been held accountable for any of his racist behavior.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 9:11 am to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:Well, no one can offer solutions except for the black community.
Conservatives care so much about the breakdown of the black family and yet all they do is wring their hands. They don't offer any solution except that blacks should vote Republican.
quote:It does, in fact, exist. Observation is a critical aspect of sociological study. Denying what is seen in inner city communities, such as Chicago, and writing these problems off as "societal problems," rather than addressing them as "cultural problems" does nothing to help the situation.
They somehow blame a ghetto culture that they cannot identify or prove actually exists except ontologically. They imagine a ghetto culture so it thus exists.
quote:I don't believe they lead to "ghetto culture," as you put it, but I do believe they exacerbate the issue.
They somehow claim to have facts that welfare, unplanned pregnancies and and food stamps lead to a ghetto culture.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 9:30 am to Rohan2Reed
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And conservatives have been showing links between single-parent homes and violent crime for decades. Here's a fantastic piece from Heritage from 1995. LINK
If conservatives really wanted to restore the 2 parent household, or at least increase the propensity of such, they should hop on board with ending the war on drugs, which disproportionately effects minorities. A dad who gets high on marijuana every once in a while, but still manages to be home and provide for his family is much better than removing the dad from the family altogether. We've created thousands of welfare recipients because of that stupid war.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 9:34 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Conservatives want to cut spending of social services and education and then they wonder why the black family is in crisis.
what's the plan? Pay them to be better citizens?
Posted on 7/11/14 at 9:35 am to ocelot4ark
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A dad who gets high on marijuana every once in a while, but still manages to be home and provide for his family is much better than removing the dad from the family altogether.
Exactly how many families like this do you think are out there?
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If conservatives really wanted to restore the 2 parent household, or at least increase the propensity of such, they should hop on board with ending the war on drugs, which disproportionately effects minorities.
I wouldn't end it, but I would sure reform some of the sentencing given that the punishment for crack possession is far more than powdered coke possession because Tip O'Neill went on a tirade after Len Bias' heart exploded from smoking crack.
This post was edited on 7/11/14 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/11/14 at 9:46 am to teke184
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Exactly how many families like this do you think are out there?
I have no idea. I know that there are those out there that believe in the theory. It makes sense to me. And I acknowledge that to be in PRISON the guy likely was doing more than just possessing marijuana (unless you're in a draconian southern state with ridiculous laws or something). Most likely they were also caught with a firearm and more than an ounce if they're in prison. But that really doesn't change my thoughts on the situation.
But even just an arrest is going to severely hurt/penalize the whole family. Dad gets arrested for pot and he's going to lose his job. Boom - welfare.
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